Ben Shapiro family is growing

[Roshan]

And also, it would be seen as weakness.

And an actual SeTi chief is not allowed to hybridize politics and entertainment.

[Roshan]

It would be seen as too scary by some and too weak by others. Then the ones who saw it as weak would get the scared ones to follow them and depose him.

What it would not be is accepted as entertainment.

[Roshan]

And btw this is all at the nub of what I'm still trying to work out about Rust! the movie on its home thread. Leaders are larping and confusing entertainment and reality--actually we all are; meanwhile real people, who as fate would have it are women with real star quality, are getting killed by coincidental larp bullets.

And yes, Hasan epitomizes this too. But so far he's only killing his own reputation.

[Vincent]

Well, first of all I don't think he's making no point. Did you watch the Zapatista interview? Most of it's before the section I chose but it's very, very good. And he is getting that stuff out to a very wide audience and as he says, that basically is his point.

Yes i watched it, and i agree it's very, very good.
And you're absolutely right,
It is his point, and it's a big one.

The thing is when i was still engagé, i was, among other things, a member of the "Collective Chiapas" in Bordeaux, trying to raise awareness about what happened there with the EZLN.
We were 4 or 5. At most.

Now that interview probably got more views in one single livestream of Hasan than it did in one year since Rage Against the Machine posted it on Youtube

Second, he isn't 'those TeSi's". He entered the fray with a distinct nepotistic advantage. What makes Rust! the movie great is the epic nature of its protagonists. Some are titans, some are of titans born...none are just any ol' body.

Yes, that's very true.

I think we can take Hasan at his word--both what he says and what he doesn't in those two excruciating hours. He did not intend to make so much money (because he did not realize just what a head start he had being Cenk's nephew from TYT), he bought a relatively modest home by Los Angeles standards, and he does not understand why he should have bought one cheaper somewhere else. His lack of understanding of the value judgements placed on the convergence of all he's done--done by his own will and as fate would have it, tossing him about like a big fat yapping autumn leaf--is where both his Ni PolR AND his Fi inferior lie. Beyond that he seems to kind of understand he's more like a dj than a pundit--a socialist 'entertainer' and curator of videos of sorts.

Yes, that sounds completely right to me.

(edit : post crossed, and my internet connection is acting out. Reading up)

[Vincent]

It would be seen as too scary by some and too weak by others. Then the ones who saw it as weak would get the scared ones to follow them and depose him.

What it would not be is accepted as entertainment.

I was just thinking "Sargon would never...."
and this popped in my Youtube suggestions :



I have an audio issue that i need to fix right now, but i'll take a look at it soon.

tbcd.

[Roshan]

I watched the one above; I'd seen the beginning before. Then I found this and a lot of what's interesting about it is here.. But I would also like to take a shot at the ct's of all the people in it.

[Roshan]

This video is already a relic. I have never heard of trainwreckstv but Sargon did not like being put on the same side with Nick Fuentes, who really does fit in 'alt right'; Sargon is now voluntarily almost completely off YouTube so he doesn't have to censor himself and Fuentes is almost universally deplatformed. Sargon's ins and outs in this debate are mesmerizing to me. He knows he has far more in common from a policy pov with Hasan and Destiny (who I think is NeFi that hides his PolR well?) than with Fuentes, but they don't know it and he knows they don't. And he also knows what they are missing is the long view--the primordial to infinity view which is just about the only thing Fuentes has going for him but will never be able to articulate in a way they can hear---and Sargon has 'all the time in the world' to wait and crouch and spring it on them. And he succeeds. He actually manages to bring the whole thing to a standstill and get everyone to shut up and think for half a minute.

I also think the facilitator on the left, Asmongold, is TiNe (though at first I thought NeTi creative) and Sargon manages to supervise him all along so that he understands what's happening way before everyone else does. I'm having trouble with Nick Fuentes' ct; he is very young, much younger than he seems, and also with the facilitator on the right so far.

[Vincent]

I also think the facilitator on the left, Asmongold, is TiNe (though at first I thought NeTi creative) and Sargon manages to supervise him all along so that he understands what's happening way before everyone else does.

I came across that guy years ago when i was playing World of Warcraft.
He used to be one of the biggest streamers of that game. And from what i remember of him, TiNe would also be my guess.

tbcd soon.

[Roshan]

Well, I currently think Nick Fuentes may also be an NeFi, pretending to be his own dual rather than go into shadow mode and have a nervous breakdown.



It's the way he glibly moves the goal posts that makes me think this may be the case.

His used car salesman demeanor is reminiscent of some heavily Te-unignoring TiSe's, but minus the introversion and minus the Se/Ni axis if that makes sense.

[Roshan]

Upon watching this again, it sticks out to me again at around 36' how Destiny refers to what he means to be a 'physically stronger man'--who we shouldn't send off to the mines if he wants to code (because we all have the right to the pursuit of happiness)--as a "more powerful man".

This means something. Personally, it seems to mean that on some level Destiny knows he's full of shit in his casual sweeping away of other people's concerns about gender roles. Masculinity for Destiny is still about power. And he knows perfectly well that he rides the Net like a cowboy rides a bronco with his slightly dweebish celebrity air. So if I'm right about his ct it has to do with Se role.