Ben Shapiro family is growing

[Roshan]

Link to Trainwreckstv ct typing thread.

[Roshan]

Ben Shapiro Extended Family Dinner Debate Theater Continues

I would also like to take a shot at the ct's of all the people in it.

Ben (Patriarch) TeNi

And Ben begat
Hasan TeSi (fake SeTi)

And Hasan begat
Sargon SeTi (real)

And Hasan and Sargon begat

Trainwrecks FiSe
Asmongold TiNe
Destiny NeFi
(Old) Nick FeNi

And (Old) Nick begat
Styx TiSe

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Hollywood Cognitive Squares

[Roshan]

Time stamps for debate theater to be inserted above.

[Roshan]

Oh, sweet lord Cheesus.

[Roshan]

At around 45 minutes Sargon already made his first attack and Destiny is answering very intelligently while shallowly, showing in concert with Hasan what I believe to be all the tragic flaws of delta, because I am now almost positive he's NeFi.

In so doing, he's also displaying very clearly what the two aspects of Ti are that I alluded to on the Rick Beato thread, saying people bandy them about without differentiating them from each other or either from Te clearly. I said we need to go back to this and as fate would have it, so we are.

The two aspects are 'web-spinning' and 'first principles'. Web-spinning is endlessly intricate and extensive and first principles is very simple and boiled down. So they are opposite but they are dialectic. One yields the other.

It's not that Destiny doesn't argue well and can't piece things together (not lacking in the skills of rhetoric). It's that the glue he pieces things together with is contingent and flimsy. Destiny simply does not process any T that isn't directly related to his goals. And it isn't even about ignoring it, like Hasan; it's instinctive. He just avoids it. So because he lacks both the intricacy and the extensivity of the web-spinning, he never HAS to confront first principles--underlyinging foundational rules of reality; he doesn't build a world view really complex enough to need them,. His world view is ultimately portable.

Yes, i absolutely agree with this.
I'm pretty positive he is indeed NeFi
One of those intellectual/poltiical/philosophical contraries i find so frustrating to debate with.
They certainly argue very well, but in the end i always feel like the discussion is going nowhere.
It feels like they always start in the middle of the problem, and then they keep moving the goalposts without never moving backwards to the axioms, nor forwards to the nuances.
And i'm sure i'm equally as frustrating for them, for opposite reasons.

While Destiny is a self-enclosed performative system, something like the Ice Capades. His mental moves are very well executed but they all skate and they never leave the rink. They're also all for an audience.

Destiny's Ne lead gives fancy footwork and lights to his highly developed Te tertiary, but he ultimately has no awareness of any logic that doesn't serve his own needs. Nothing goes beyond the boundaries of the rink. As such he lacks first principles because he never needs them, he can always skate those goal posts to another corner of his rink; as such he is also ultimately unprincipled.

Yes indeed.
And to me it feels like he could argue as easily and as convincingly for the opposite side with the same level of authority and competency.
All it would take is another goal and another audience.

And it's really not just the fluidity of Ne frame. It's definitely Ti polr.
You never get quite the same impression from NeTi.

tbcd.

Don't worry. Trainswrecks is about to punish him.

[Roshan]

The above post* for me is a huge snore. zzzzz

*Link

To be clear Vincent et al, that was because every time I hear the word "Kant" I start to fall asleep.

(Although in trying to read that aesthetics stuff, "Heidegger" is getting there... )



BUT something tells me if I understood this-- there is indeed a direct link between (his brand of) naturalism and teleology, via the concept of organism--my life would change.

Let me guess: Kant said something about how Si gives a boundary and without it we would know the forms if only we would still exist?

[Roshan]

So I found a debate where (Old) Nick did not have to hide his light under a bushel. He didn't even have to do any comedy schtick.

Would anyone care to take a guess?

[Roshan]

Oh, I did not know that expression was about Cheesus.

Eternal companion of (Old) Nick.

And it is also about deconcealedness. But Heidegger is still...like how do you people read that stuff?

[Anthony]

[Roshan]

Well, as a member of Chews for Cheesus, I still have to find excuses to devils advocate for these people in the culcha wars.