Roshanak's Political Peepenscheíßeschau

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Have to find that post later about the minor charges later to edit but I was totally wrong about what would be the outcome of that video. There's now five possible charges and the jury does get to pick one or more and there's a range down to reckless endangerment.

And no further down, and this is BRAND new. For some reason I don't understand because I was looking at the Wisconsin laws last night, the weapons possession charge was just dropped. It was a class A misdemeanor with a maximum of nine months iirc. (will check). I had seen a hit on google on Friday saying that 'a window was opened' for it (after many attempts) but that news site had a pay wall. Now in the trial live stream it was just dropped.

I don't even see any commentary available about it yet but it takes away the buffer of leaving an option of finding guilty with relatively minor consequences, while at the same time might be thought by the defense to undermine the perception that he already walked in guilty of something.

Barnes and Nate the Lawyer don't think the defense is doing a good job anyway.
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hmmm...judge is reading and delineating the charges now to the jury.

I think the defense wanted the weapons possession charge out because of what I originally said here,

If it was criminal of him to have the weapon due to age and he knew this, or didn't bother to find out, he was already recklessly negligent.
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To my knowledge looking at the laws, Wisconsin law stipulates that a minor under 18 (as young as 12!) can possess and carry a rifle without a permit (not a pistol or sawed off shotgun) for target practice and hunting when supervised by an adult. As such, Kyle was guilty of illegal carrying that night, regardless of whether he thought he was allowed to--which he claims, and in Illinois a 17 year old can have a rifle with a permit, which he had applied for--because ignorance of the law is not a defense. The judge stated this explicitly in discussion during the cross-examination.

I was so sure this was etched in stone that when "Mark Smith" railed at me about it I told him anyone with a brain cell knows he broke the law carrying the rifle in Wisconsin but it wasn't the issue "now between US". (The issue between us was that Mark had vehemently railed that Kyle showed intent to murder by carrying the rifle across state lines, which the prosecution accepted as established fact he did not do during cross-examination, but Mark, instead of retracting, moved goal posts).

Last night Barnes told Viva that he (Barnes) would have gotten that possession charge thrown out right away and it made me wonder about Barnes, which I've already been doing a little anyway lately (e.g. is he a bit of a grandiose narcissist?). Barnes had said last week that the defense had stopped accepting his free advice and the advice of the team he had assembled, and that something was fishy but I was starting to wonder is something fishy about Barnes (not that the two are mutually exclusive).

But today first thing I find the possession charge was just dropped. What I gathered was the Wisconsin law was itself unclear confusing and that the prosection had (inadvertently?) admitted this. Anyway it's gone.

As you can see the Law is as unpredictable as Love; it's a line in the sand and we all know how sands are. This is why Holy Law is the domain not of 6 or of 1 but of 3. The Law implies a kind of Holy/Unholy Deceit; we must proceed, with Holy/Unholy Doubt, as though we have Faith in the Law. Both of which are 6, which wormholes to some kind of Holy Perfection at One, and perfection as I've said before means etymologically from Latin means Completion.

We must proceed; we must act. We must act as though things will become complete even though they never do. That is at the core of it all; the task and the eternal adventure that faces us all.
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Something really crazy I could do would be to go to law school. A lawyer friend of mine tried to convince me to do this in 2017.

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Roshan wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:49 pm Hmmm...yah, at a certain point it seems like he knows he has nothing and his strategy is just to exhaust Kyle into saying something incriminating. The odd thing though is he also seems to be exhausting himself. He seems insane by the end of the second. hour. TeSi shadows so badly because how do you concentrate enough in disintegration to do Ti?
Yes, that's exactly how it looked like to me.

And the thing is a lot of the questions he asked Kyle to try to get him to incriminate himself are exactly the same he will have to ask to Gaige Grosskreutz.
Except this time carrying a gun with an outdated license will be no big deal.
Having a gun while you're there to help people and do first aid will be ok.
Running with it in your hand will be ok.
etc.

Anyway, i'll try to watch the last hour of the cross-examination before i go to sleep.
Will look at the closing arguments tomorrow.

tbcd.
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The defense attorney just demolished prosecution's rosy cross grosskreutz crucifiction picture, Vincent, because he's a medic and he didn't go to help Huber either, he chased Kyle and went at him with a pistol close range instead. He went through a lot of video footage and Rosenbaum was even worse than I thought. As were Grosskreutz and Huber both.

The link to the live stream is on my Facebook page and the defense comments to jury were long and excellent. I guess he's FeNi creative and he was just waiting until it all coalesced. The only mistake I could see was at the end he didn't remind the jury that once Rosenbaum's hand was on the gun, his weapon was no longer his hand, it was also the gun.

Now the prosecution gets his last chance but really, without the gun possession charge this is an open and shut self-defense case. If Kyle's convicted this isn't over. I didn't post that link here yet because I knew I was going to watch it again and I figured I'd wait. So tbcd.
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No, wait, now sounds like prosecution went before defense as I thought they would in closing addresses to jury. Now they're all just talking to the judge so idk what's next. But it's late so I guess can't go on much longer today.

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Nah, there is more...

I think the biggest problem is that Rosenbaum held no weapon so once he fell to the ground he wasn't armed but Kyle kept shooting.

Defense glossed over this skillfully with it all happened in a couple of seconds and people have been acquitted who shot seven times, but it won't go away.
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TeSi isn't making the new arguments; maybe DA realized how unlikable he is.


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