Constantly argued if he's an 8 or a cph 6 but he is neither of those things. And for some time I thought he was a 5w6 but now feel pretty sure that's his second fix. I don't really expect people who aren't very familiar with certain iterations of Naranjo's sp 2 (Fourish Two, plays with people like dolls, wants to be a doll) to get this right away, but he seems to be a very heavy sp cover sp 2 'Me', 2w1 double line to 4, 2 between 4 and 8, wounded pride slashing your tires, if I can't have you no one else can, sneaky, stalky 2 with sx 5 secrets second, and I don't even think he's 8 in the gut but 9 in 8. So double line to 8, Eightish stacking, 9 in 8, everything 8 BUT 8, alternates between sulking, and exploding, also always skulking around, but whenever interviewed, he's an 'intrusive intimate' and we have to understand how he has been wronged and debts owed to him have not been paid. There is always romance to it, NATO done him wrong. My/our greatness has been diminished, there must be retaliation, and you have to understand. (Which is not to say that he is necessarily wrong just that he is an sp 2). Heart leading but 'heart in gut', so simultaneously seems 'all heart' and 'heartless'. But his 'intimate' quality is unparalleled and it is reservedly 'intrusive', as is the sense of 'self-important saint'hood. (2 L5 and 6).
(I suppose he could have an 8 fix but I don't particularly see it; he's someone who's particularly 'schlumpy' and slouchy energetically, which can go with [sp/sx], the probable stacking--more like slithery or turtley--but only up to a point).
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I think if people didn't have all kinds of preconceptions about him it would be a lot easier to see that he's a withdrawn, 5-heavy heart type, as these photos capture very well imo.
Putin engine runs on wounded pride.
Putin engine runs on wounded pride.
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I didn't choose that interview for any particular reason and I haven't watched all of it either. I have seen several interviews with him and now two speeches. So far nothing changes much.
btw, the name of one English biography of him is The Man WIthout a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin.
btw, the name of one English biography of him is The Man WIthout a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin.
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I wouldn't dismiss him being a heart type, Let's establish what we know: he's gone from smiley goofy-faced company man to ol' dead eyes heavy is the head that wears the crown. In between there were lots of photos (um, images) depicting his virility, zest for life (as a theme, not really living it), that dumb bad-ass walk when the suit's on, followed by plastic surgery and a new wife the same age as his kids. This certainly appears to be a vanity. Perhaps he's the heart version of the middle-aged 7 in Converse low tops, still 'skateboarding' and saying fuck Trump, this form of identification to youth. The only difference is that I personally don't know how to qualify/quantify Rossiya kitsch or culture. What's hot and what walks. Whatever it is, he's playing it. If he's a 2, then who would he be attempting to gain the love from? By a number of indicators he is of a Proud nature, of place (Sp), able-bodied (Sp) and.... He's almost like the commercials with the salt/pepper bearded guy, "the most interesting man in the world'... shooing a tiger off the kitchen counter while prepping a pasta fasul lol.
You know, back on the ol' eidb ppl made good claims for Hitler being a 4. These are dangerous people, taken by emotion and moments in time, but in the same breath I also consider Donald Trump an emotional person and reacting. Humans... very messy.
You know, back on the ol' eidb ppl made good claims for Hitler being a 4. These are dangerous people, taken by emotion and moments in time, but in the same breath I also consider Donald Trump an emotional person and reacting. Humans... very messy.
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Here's another one I put in the Putin Family Singers, high sp [sp/sx] 2w1 with head in the 5 space and 9 gut. These people are 'inscrutably personable' with a perhaps 'aloof to sinister waifishness'.
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Probably worth mentioning too, from what I gather Putey is quite the historian, being on record as not recognizing Ukraine as a proper place (the word translating as hinterland). This is of course complicated by Ukraine's location on the Black Sea in modern terms, as well as a quasi civil war bt nationals and Russian speaking 'friendlies' in the eastern Donbas. They were the people who shot down that Malaysian airliner some years back with Russian equipment. Dumb fucks. Little justice was served (or sought by Putey) there. So there we have it.... soft on crime!
Very proud and upright Soviet, this guy, a throw-back taking advantage of people's nostalgia, back when their needs were met and didn't feel like a failed state. Giving them identity (along with poverty). Performing the needed Imperialism to restore the pride of Rossiya. True to form they promise hope but serve corruption. Why their relationship to truths is so difficult.... beyond my capacity, perhaps it's ingrained within the culture itself.
In some ways, Russians remind me of Mexicans, This Eurasian equivalent of resignation to the powers that tell them what to do, and how best to deal with it (accept). And they do. In between we're going to blow a bunch of smoke up your ass and murder the jester. Could you even picture Putey laughing? What's wrong with this guy?
Putey has never sacrificed anything, he's simply existed upon a coattail of his mobility. The classic nepotism meets dictator... here, images can and will suffice. He's assumed his class.
A Gorbachev he is not.... sadly, even in that hometown it's a dirty word, Gorby will forever be a pariah.
I guess ultimately, is Putey the Svengali or is Ukraine a place where we don't speak your language, We're going to find out!
Very proud and upright Soviet, this guy, a throw-back taking advantage of people's nostalgia, back when their needs were met and didn't feel like a failed state. Giving them identity (along with poverty). Performing the needed Imperialism to restore the pride of Rossiya. True to form they promise hope but serve corruption. Why their relationship to truths is so difficult.... beyond my capacity, perhaps it's ingrained within the culture itself.
In some ways, Russians remind me of Mexicans, This Eurasian equivalent of resignation to the powers that tell them what to do, and how best to deal with it (accept). And they do. In between we're going to blow a bunch of smoke up your ass and murder the jester. Could you even picture Putey laughing? What's wrong with this guy?
Putey has never sacrificed anything, he's simply existed upon a coattail of his mobility. The classic nepotism meets dictator... here, images can and will suffice. He's assumed his class.
A Gorbachev he is not.... sadly, even in that hometown it's a dirty word, Gorby will forever be a pariah.
I guess ultimately, is Putey the Svengali or is Ukraine a place where we don't speak your language, We're going to find out!
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Jonathan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:35 pm Probably worth mentioning too, from what I gather Putey is quite the historian, being on record as not recognizing Ukraine as a proper place (the word translating as hinterland).
It goes back to the Kievan Rus and especially Grand Prince (Saint) Vladimir, who christianized the area that is now Ukraine, Russia and Byelarus. The current Vladimir identifies with the original one. That was the origins of Russia.
This is of course complicated by Ukraine's location on the Black Sea in modern terms, as well as a quasi civil war bt nationals and Russian speaking 'friendlies' in the eastern Donbas.
And the Russian friendly rebels will tell you they responded to the turn to NATO being astroturfed by the Americans in Maidan in 2014; the Ukrainian friendlies will tell you Russia astroturfed the rebellion.
They were the people who shot down that Malaysian airliner some years back with Russian equipment. Little justice was served (or sought by Putey) there. So there we have it.... soft on crime!
Very proud and upright Soviet, this guy, a throw-back taking advantage of people's nostalgia, back when their needs were met and didn't feel like a failed state. Giving them identity (along with poverty).
Well, the poverty started with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the descent into the 'creative destruction' of the disaster capitalism of the '90s. The long arm of Milton Freedman was there.
Performing the needed Imperialism to restore the pride of Rossiya. True to form they promise hope but serve corruption. Why their relationship to truths is so difficult.... beyond my capacity, perhaps it's ingrained within the culture itself.
Putin's turn to being the new Saint Vladimir was parallel to the US 'nation building' of Iraq but it really took off when he went in to Syria to keep Assad in power and to fight Islamic terrorism (due to experience in Chechnya) while the US lived in the fantasy that we would bring democracy by force to the Middle East.
In some ways, Russians remind me of Mexicans, This Eurasian equivalent of resignation to the powers that tell them what to do, and how best to deal with it (accept). And they do. In between we're going to blow a bunch of smoke up your ass and murder the jester. Could you even picture Putey laughing? What's wrong with this guy?
Not really, but he sort of giggles and eyelash bats. I'll keep my eye out for footage.
Putey has never sacrificed anything, he's simply existed upon a coattail of his mobility. The classic nepotism meets dictator... here, images can and will suffice. He's assumed his class.
Well, Masha Gessen, the gay trans woman who is his political opponent and biographer, believes he sincerely sees himself as the embodiment of the nation and the people. No reason to doubt her. Wait for time stamps.
He seems pretty clearly to be in what we call the so/sp<-->sp/sx stream, in his case SP/sx (rather than so/SP). David Gray's 'counterflow' squarely. Between a titan and a demon, not in the human 'synflow'. But since he is after all A human, I would say he's sacrificed whatever 'just humanness' he could have had. My politics is Shakespearean. Mostly I just watch; I rarely judge, especially when it comes to my exemplars, who I inevitably bond with. So there is a place in my heart for Vlad the Paler..
A Gorbachev he is not.... sadly, even in that hometown it's a dirty word, Gorby will forever be a pariah.
I guess ultimately, is Putey the Svengali or is Ukraine a place where we don't speak your language, We're going to find out!
Masha Gessen recounts how when Putin was in Yeltsin's cabinet, the bombing of Yugoslavia was not only undertaken without consulting Russia but when the prime minister was on a plane en route to meet Al Gore. So Putin took office already feeling humiliated by the West. Putin himself recounted in the same long speech where he launched into the history that he asked Bill Clinton if Russia could join NATO but Clinton snubbed him. Clearly and palpably it still burns.
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