Joan RIvers (comedian, entrepreneur)

[Roshan]

Something like sp/SO 7w66w5-2w13w2-8w79w8? I thought she'd be 7w8 but she really seems to exemplify 'counterphobia' while still being a clear 7; also she talks about always being afraid she'll lose everything. And I could imagine my friend Roxan of the exact same suggested type but with 9w11w2 being like her if she had an 8 fix, but if I'm right about the lead, I don't think Joan can sustain enough 7 for the 8 to move all the way through 7 too (8w77w6). Too...idk...ponderous?...attached?

Thoughts?

[Roshan]

Note: the very end of the second video is not about her and I had not seen the second half of the third video when I wrote the suggested typing. I am considering some changes. Entertaining possiblity she has 2w3 instead of 2w1, and an actual 1 fix. And in that case I guess it could be 7w68w7 after all. She is very Sixish to me but I guess it could be coming from 'double wormhole' with the stacking and just the dominant wing.

I'm by leaps and bounds more concerned about getting the tritype right than the wings, wings of wings, etc. but it may all have to be part of the package.

[Roshan]

It seems to me, for one thing, that someone with an 8 fix (and a line to 8, and sp first), would have known very well that they were competing with their boss/partner by accepting that show and what consequences they would likely be up against by doing so. Instead she seems to have felt, very compliantly, that she had 'paid her dues and earned the right' to her own show and that others would understand because they 'shared standards of fairness'.

[Roshan]

Actually it is suggestive of an extreme positive narcosis factor and come to think of it...sometimes she did seem quite Ninish to me and I had no clue what to do with that....

[Roshan]

I suppose it won't come as a surprise to anyone who read my dream entry that I'm now looking for 278 tritype. This is a tricky one to identify with enough confidence to use as an exemplar and I just decided Maria Brink is most likely 6w77w8 fixed, so even the name (In This Moment) is probably out. I should have realized anyone who would name their band that was trying to be in this moment. I don't think Joan Rivers will be the one, but Lucille Ball is probably 278. What is the name of that country singer we were discussing with Jz?

[Roshan]

As I said, Sylvia's name for 278 was 'Live Free Or Die'; watching Joan Rivers before I saw the second half of the third video I was considering using 'The Cost of Freedom', but now I think that may have been coming from more compliance than I realized. I think even with a 1 wing on the 2 and stress movement to 1 on a 7 lead, 278 should not show so much....exertion, maybe?

[Roshan]

I mean, who knows, maybe Joan is 7 all the way in 6 and 2w1 and 8 all the way in 7 and all that just One'd out. Hopefully other people will have some input, on her, and on 278 exemplars.

[Roshan]

Lucille Ball is probably 278.

Yes, this seems right.

[Vincent]

What is the name of that country singer we were discussing with Jz?

It was Bonnie Tyler Roshan.

Will watch Joan Rivers' videos soon.
tbcd.

[Anthony]

I watched the first video and I'm currently a little over halfway through the second.

I'm finding it impossible NOT to see her as 9 fixed. IMO, if she's 7w6(8w7) and she may very well be, it could even be 9w1(8w9).

However much she felt like 'she paid her dues and earned the right to her own show,' and she did indeed seem to feel that way, to me it seemed MORE like she assumed others shared her orientation to non-competitive 'Holy Love' and was surprised when they didn't.