'Gram the Grownup #4 Alexander Mercouris

[Roshan]

If someone does make a typing poll with a deadline, however they want to do it, that would be the centerpiece and I wouldn't put up another one until it was 'over'.

I don't know why no one does.



(Vincent, can we get a shrug emoji?)

[Roshan]

I'll also add, about biases, that Fours aren't 'supposed to' be attorneys or geopolitical commentators.

This comes in part from DG too, He claimed even actresses wouldn't be Fours because "Four does Four". And that in turn stems from, and is in some ways a perversion of, Don. In other ways not. tbcd

oh goodness, do tell.

Well, I had it all planned out, and it was very theatrical (or is it cinematic?, well anyway multimedia) but now it will have to wait.

[Roshan]

Not that I'm a big fan of phototyping but the polls originally began with "Type the Tyke". The voting was on one usually YOUNG children's photograph of an unnamed person and then I'd keep adding on photos until the 'reveal'. And there is one 'Mystery Man' phototyping here on this forum too. But no actual Type the Tykes.

hmmm...Actually we do have one Type the Tyke here, for ct. The rest are on enneaforum, for ct and E in Fun and Games subforums.

The funny thing is, I'm pretty much against typing children to begin with; these are in no small part experiments to see how much phototyping and typing kids even works at all. (But once the reveal happens...it's a typing thread. And then of course anyone brings any materials they want).

My antipathy toward typing kids and photo typing is one of the many reasons why the terra is incognita....and incognito. We have windows on the world and the world has a window on us but it has to find us like an Easter egg hunt blindfolded.

[Roshan]

Vincent, you said he might be reading. in this video at 7'49" he announces he's going to read something and does. He looks up; not sure what if anything that says. He looks much better looking up; if he does read in general don't know why he keeps it so far down.

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Oh, he announces he's going to read again at around 12'10" and does. He really looks a lot better. Why doesn't someone tell him to look up?

[-Sarah-]

His blog on Metropolis initially gave me Si overload but once he wrote about the themes of the film and its historical context, it become a lot more engaging and digestible for me. However, it warrants a second read. His article on Corbyn on the other hand was was much easier for to me read. His blog, unsurprisingly, showcases his thought process in a much more unfiltered way.

At the end of his article on his battle with depression he says this,

As for myself, I will finish by saying that lost in my “dark wood” I found far more help and support from reading Dante and Dostoevsky — both sufferers from what we today call depression — than I did from anything the medical services had to offer me.

The "dark wood" is a reference to Dante's Inferno and I don't think this is a casual reference. In the opening of the Divine Comedy before Dante meets Virgil goes,

In the middle of the journey of our life, I came to myself, in a dark wood, where the direct way was lost. It is a hard thing to speak of, how wild, harsh and impenetrable that wood was, so that thinking of it recreates the fear. It is scarcely less bitter than death: but, in order to tell of the good that I found there, I must tell of the other things I saw there.

Being lost in the dark wood represents humanity's fall into sin, living a life away from God. You can reconstruct this in this context as the type 4's loss of Holy Origin, a fall from the pleroma and unity of all. During this time of his life, he found comfort in his fellow travelers of Hell and despair, Dante and Dostoevsky. On a deeper level, that article wasn't just about depression and the West's faulty treatment of it, it was a criticism of the West's lack of space for and an adequate vocabulary for the tragic. The West would rather expediently medicalize and pathologize emotional pain than give it the full range of expression and understanding in a way that would actually contribute to healthier society.

[Roshan]

This thread was moved temporarily to the private section. Some posts from it are still there, on a different thread.

-Sarah-, sorry, don't know why your last post here wasn't seen, or commented on. tbcd

[Roshan]

"On a deeper level, that article wasn't just about depression and the West's faulty treatment of it, it was a criticism of the West's lack of space for and an adequate vocabulary for the tragic."

What does it mean, -Sarah-? How is a 'criticism' of the 'lack of space and vocabulary' for 'the tragic' a 'deeper level'?

[-Sarah-]

It probably wasn't a deeper level, but more of subtext? But looking back at that article, I don't think it's implicit enough to be subtext. It is the text.

[Roshan]

It probably wasn't a deeper level, but more of subtext? But looking back at that article, I don't think it's implicit enough to be subtext. It is the text.

What I'm asking you is what could be deep about achieving 'space' and 'an adequate vocabulary' for 'the tragic' with 'criticism'? That wasn't his vocabulary, -Sarah-.

[-Sarah-]

It probably wasn't a deeper level, but more of subtext? But looking back at that article, I don't think it's implicit enough to be subtext. It is the text.

What I'm asking you is what could be deep about achieving 'space' and 'an adequate vocabulary' for 'the tragic' with 'criticism'? That wasn't his vocabulary, -Sarah-.

Hmmmm, I probably have to think about this further, but I'm thinking that it isn't that deep in actuality.