'Gram the Grownup #4 Alexander Mercouris

What is Mercouris' complete type? (Lead, trifix, i.v. and ct)

Poll ended at Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:59 am

1w9
1
5%
1w2
0
No votes
2w1
0
No votes
2w3
0
No votes
3w2
0
No votes
3w4
0
No votes
4w3
0
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4w5
0
No votes
5w4
0
No votes
5w6
2
10%
6w5
1
5%
6w7
0
No votes
7w6
0
No votes
7w8
0
No votes
8w7
0
No votes
8w9
0
No votes
9w8
0
No votes
9w1
1
5%
125
1
5%
126
0
No votes
127
0
No votes
135
0
No votes
136
2
10%
137
0
No votes
145
0
No votes
146
0
No votes
147
0
No votes
258
1
5%
268
0
No votes
259
0
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269
0
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278
0
No votes
279
0
No votes
358
0
No votes
359
1
5%
368
0
No votes
369
0
No votes
378
0
No votes
379
0
No votes
458
0
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459
0
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468
0
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469
0
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478
0
No votes
479
0
No votes
sp/so
0
No votes
so/sx
1
5%
sx/sp
0
No votes
sp/sx
1
5%
sx/so
0
No votes
so/sp
3
15%
TiNe
0
No votes
NeTi
0
No votes
SiFe
0
No votes
FeSi
0
No votes
TiSe
0
No votes
SeTi
0
No votes
NiFe
0
No votes
FeNi
0
No votes
TeNi
0
No votes
NiTe
2
10%
SeFi
0
No votes
FiSe
1
5%
TeSi
1
5%
SiTe
1
5%
NeFi
0
No votes
FiNe
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 20

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Re: 'Gram the Grownup #4 Alexander Mercouris

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So this is the article. And this is how it ends:

As for myself, I will finish by saying that lost in my “dark wood” I found far more help and support from reading Dante and Dostoevsky — both sufferers from what we today call depression — than I did from anything the medical services had to offer me.

Above all it was thanks to my very own Beatrice that I finally came through — “to look once more upon the stars”.


Could you explain to a reasonably intelligent ten year old why he wrote those last two paragraphs, -Sarah-?
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Roshan wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:23 pm So this is the article. And this is how it ends:

As for myself, I will finish by saying that lost in my “dark wood” I found far more help and support from reading Dante and Dostoevsky — both sufferers from what we today call depression — than I did from anything the medical services had to offer me.

Above all it was thanks to my very own Beatrice that I finally came through — “to look once more upon the stars”.


Could you explain to a reasonably intelligent ten year old why he wrote those last two paragraphs, -Sarah-?
I think he mentioned Dante and Dostoevsky to further highlight the ineffectiveness of the treatments the medical services had to offer. He found more comfort in delving into the works of authors who also might have had depression. He found solace in these authors because they mirrored and articulated the depression he felt, and this probably helped him deal with it.

Most importantly though, he wanted to thank his wife for supporting him throughout the duration of his depression, it was because of her that was able to come through and look up "upon the stars", to have hope.
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"both sufferers from what we today call depression", -Sarah-.
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Roshan wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:57 pm "both sufferers from what we today call depression", -Sarah-.
Oh right. I wrote "might have had depression" and that was wrong.
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-Sarah-, he's talking about his own experience of human suffering and greatness at the end. With all due respect, you're imposing additional layers of clinical analysis on his attempt to break through that.
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Re: 'Gram the Grownup #4 Alexander Mercouris

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(And overamped Si demo and Ti role are alpha shadow, as we've so often discussed. There are real reasons no one considered 4 seriously enough to even mention rejecting it).
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Where's the blood and guts, -Sarah-?

When he evokes Dante and Beatrice, he means Dante and Beatrice in his personal experience.

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I see. I totally missed his lived and felt experience and now I see why you highlighted this the way you did. I was doing what the medical field was doing.
Roshan wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:57 pm "both sufferers from what we today call depression", -Sarah-.
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Re: 'Gram the Grownup #4 Alexander Mercouris

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-Sarah- wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:19 pm I was doing what the medical field was doing.
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Roshan thank you for pointing this out. I didn't even realize I was being too clinical and not seeing Mercouris for Mercouris. It's no wonder I missed 4 core for him.
I really like things I don't understand: when I read a thing I don't understand I feel a sweet and abysmal vertigo. - Clarice Lispector, Água Viva

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