In defense of Johnny Depp

[Jonathan]

How long can a person defend themselves, before another has an opportunity to go away?

[Roshan]

I haven't had the stomach to follow this trial but it' hard to understand why the two most 'eligible bachelors' in the country, Depp and Elon Musk, would both get seriously involved with this person. She seems very fake, not very interesting, and not very nice.

[Jonathan]

Often, I feel like, to be a romantic is to be a loser. It'll never go your way, you'll always give away whatever you have, it'll be consumed and ne'er appreciated, at least not in your time. You'll be used, as you abuse yourself, sans nurture.

Who could look at it? It's practically Shakespearean.

[Vincent]

I haven't had the stomach to follow this trial but it' hard to understand why the two most 'eligible bachelors' in the country, Depp and Elon Musk, would both get seriously involved with this person. She seems very fake, not very interesting, and not very nice.

I watched some of that trial in livestreams today and so far it confirms my first impression :
It's beyond ugly. A truly degenerate circus. Feels dirty just watching it.

Anyway, Ct-wise I'm pretty sure at that point that she is TeSi in TiSe shadow and that he is TiSe in TeSi shadow.
That makes them contraries, which probably explains quite a bit of their initial chemistry (and that's probably true in Musk's case too).
And now that they involved us, the public, in their bs, it also makes them extinguishers.
Very public and very high-profile ones.

It also makes both of them my cognitive conflictors.
With her,i get an instant and pretty strong allergic reaction. She seems very very fake and hollow indeed, in a pretty twisted way.
With him, it's more like an impulse to slap him back into shape and dignity. Or to kick his ass back to beta quadra.
But in a way, i find him even more upsetting than she is.

In any case, it seems to me that they are both pretty calculated and cold T doms, and both trying to fake F for their audience. And at this point, i'm not at all convinced that he is less fake than she is.
Seems pretty obvious to me that he is largely (and quite safely) surfing on this, which feels like a tsunami-ish backlash in response to #MeToo.
This hashtag was at 5.7k videos when i checked it yesterday. It says 6.1 now at the time i'm writing this...

[Jonathan]

[sic] "a text message to me is like a canvas, I'm just painting words'..

The only problem is few others are like that, or will understand the motivation to increase drama, as a habit.

There's no way they could just accept it as 'the art of destruction'. Sophistry-lost, they're literal... and greedy...and defensive.

These two are a tragedy of personalities. You have the older you-know-what (and should know better), and this younger Millennial whatever me-too-ing at every stop like a carpet bagging victim/starlet. There's no grace left here, it ended with his alcoholism and her immaturity. I want to be his friend and kick his ass at the same time. That's what luxury can do to a person.. with the status and finance to sink so deeply into their own world.

[Vincent]

These two are a tragedy of personalities. You have the older you-know-what (and should know better), and this younger Millennial whatever me-too-ing at every stop like a carpet bagging victim/starlet. There's no grace left here, it ended with his alcoholism and her immaturity. I want to be his friend and kick his ass at the same time. That's what luxury can do to a person.. with the status and finance to sink so deeply into their own world.

Well, i'm not so sure their status and finance has that much of an impact on how deep this sink.
But it certainly has a major impact on how many people are going to sink there with them.

There is no grace left indeed, and not much hope for catharsis either, but my issue with "these twos" is that it's never just "these twos".

That youtube hashtag i linked above says "7.2k videos" now. Depp is quickly becoming the Messiah of the Incels at the rate of 1k videos a day.

[Roshan]

[sic] "a text message to me is like a canvas, I'm just painting words'..

The only problem is few others are like that, or will understand the motivation to increase drama, as a habit.

There's no way they could just accept it as 'the art of destruction'. Sophistry-lost, they're literal... and greedy...and defensive.

These two are a tragedy of personalities. You have the older you-know-what (and should know better), and this younger Millennial whatever me-too-ing at every stop like a carpet bagging victim/starlet. There's no grace left here, it ended with his alcoholism and her immaturity. I want to be his friend and kick his ass at the same time. That's what luxury can do to a person.. with the status and finance to sink so deeply into their own world.

And if some rando off the street brought up, say, Johnny Depp's alcoholism, this would presumably be an indicator of their literalism, greed, and defensiveness, their sophistry-lost failure to understand the art of destruction, but when you bring up his alcoholism it's different because...?

Because you understand alcoholism as an art form, or....what?

[Jonathan]

Robin, my stepfather died this past August from alcoholism. He wasn't particularly emotional about it, quite defensive actually, but his addiction wasn't anything that I related to, which was physical ( I think he had that gene, you know). Depp, I don't see having the gene, but be that is it may I could relate to him having an emotional addiction to such things. The juice of the experience, the relaxation to (consciously?) wander into another physical world that would otherwise mimic his own self-esteem... questionable, and worthy of pain. Over and over... you clearly react to such things, what do you think was her objective?

[Roshan]

[sic] "a text message to me is like a canvas, I'm just painting words'..

The only problem is few others are like that, or will understand the motivation to increase drama, as a habit.

There's no way they could just accept it as 'the art of destruction'. Sophistry-lost, they're literal... and greedy...and defensive.

Well, why don't we first ascertain whether I understood your post that I was responding to, Jonathan? (Post now in quote bubble here).

I understood that the 'they' who aren't among the few who understand the 'art of destruction'' are the same 'they' who are sophistry-lost, literal, greedy, and defensive.

But now I see there are other possible meanings. So, did I misunderstand your intended meaning?

[Jonathan]

Yes, I paint with my words too... for better or worst.