In defense of Johnny Depp

[Jonathan]

I was supposed to buy another house but the values went through the roof, no puns,

And that ain't me babe...

[Jonathan]

I'm very sorry to hear that you're going through all this Jonathan and i do hope you'll reach a better stage in your life soon enough.

But please allow me to inquire, maybe it will help us reach some clarity here at least :

I know what E people think about things

What do you mean by that ? Who are the E people ? What it is that they think ? And how do you know about that ?

do I have to be so specific to point that I just meant the public writ large?

Why even mention the "few" and the "public writ large" to begin with ?
Why the need to elevate "the few" and disparage the literal, greedy and defensive ones, who don't get the "art of destruction" ?

Vincent, I don't know why you chose to quote me, bc I have a pretty good feeling that you have no interest in my well-being, other than to make a statement. In turn, I feel no motivation to answer in kind.

[Vincent]

Vincent, I don't know why you chose to quote me, bc I have a pretty good feeling that you have no interest in my well-being, other than to make a statement. In turn, I feel no motivation to answer in kind.

I have no idea how you can be so sure of that Jonathan...
I thought it would be obvious that i have an interest in your well-being here, on this board, at the very least.

Anyway, my goal was just what i said it was : to help us reach some clarity here.
Since this (very small) board happens to be mine, it's my responsibility to make sure that there is as little tension and aggravation as possible on it.
So I wanted to clarify with you what happened in this thread, in hope it would decrease the risk that something similar happens again.

Now the thing is... if you're not going to let me do that, then i'm afraid we have a problem.
And at this point, i would suggest that maybe it's time we "met" on a less impersonal medium.

What about a video chat between you, me and Roshan ?

[Roshan]

I was supposed to buy another house but the values went through the roof, no puns,

And that ain't me babe...

Well, in that case, you're still going to have to 'sell, donate, consolidiate [at least into just one storage space] and/or dispose of' what's in there if you really can't afford to pay for two storage spaces. And also use a credit card if need be in the interim (though if you expected to buy a new house and didn't, I still don't understand why you'd have to). If you're waiting for property values to go down again, that's a choice, and if you're not, you're presumably going to need fewer belongings anyway--to either get a smaller house or a temporary rental. If paying for the storage spaces and the job are both bothering you so much, if they're both so debilitating, you're still better off putting a time limit on dealing with the storage spaces so you can eliminate one of these things and focus on the other--looking for a new job. And if they don't both really have to bother you so much, maybe you shouldn't let them?

So what is it that ain't you?

[Roshan]

I mean if you're saying you didn't change the real estate market, I know that. But how else ain't my exchange with you you? What happened still happened and you're still where you are. Having been at a fairly decent job that requires training and education for a very long time is still a huge plus for getting anew job, focusing on that still requires prioritization and planning, which in this case seems to involve how you deal with the storage spaces, and Four still has to integrate to One, so I'd say that's you.

[Jonathan]

No I'm ok with the economics, I just meant that the value of the things being held sooner or later will not meet the value of attempting to hold them. Sort of a life question, I guess, and for an "Sp" like me it's pretty material.

Listen, I'm ok... sorta... not really. One could say it's a mid-life crisis, which nevertheless is going to be fresh and new no matter how you slice it. I'm currently throwing/giving/selling away a lot of things, which causes another question: do I really need this, how/why am I identifying with it (?)

At the end of the day I'm kvetching, over this that and anything that gets in the way.

[Roshan]

You could still put a time limit on dealing with the storage spaces so you could focus on finding a new job, Jonathan. Or do them both at the same time. Nothing gets in the way more than hating a job (if you really do).

[Jonathan]

Vincent, I don't know why you chose to quote me, bc I have a pretty good feeling that you have no interest in my well-being, other than to make a statement. In turn, I feel no motivation to answer in kind.

I have no idea how you can be so sure of that Jonathan...
I thought it would be obvious that i have an interest in your well-being here, on this board, at the very least.

Anyway, my goal was just what i said it was : to help us reach some clarity here.
Since this (very small) board happens to be mine, it's my responsibility to make sure that there is as little tension and aggravation as possible on it.
So I wanted to clarify with you what happened in this thread, in hope it would decrease the risk that something similar happens again.

Now the thing is... if you're not going to let me do that, then i'm afraid we have a problem.
And at this point, i would suggest that maybe it's time we "met" on a less impersonal medium.

What about a video chat between you, me and Roshan ?

Vincent, I'm a real pistol at times, ok? I not only feel aggravation but at times will also create it. Is that not human? It's not yours to correct.

I have no interest with video chat, which is nothing personal. I would need to know much more about You, before endeavoring such a thing.* You offer few personal details, which might also be a habit of longevity.

Remain a person to me, we'll be fine.

*I feel like I exist within some sort of judgment, be it my angst or euphoria. This would need to be removed, you've paid nothing forward that would equate intellectual safety. So I keep it here.

[Vincent]

I was about to ask you if you had missed or ignored my last post Jonathan.
Glad to see that ultimately neither happened.

Vincent, I'm a real pistol at times, ok? I not only feel aggravation but at times will also create it. Is that not human? It's not yours to correct.

Sure, it is human.
But as i said, this is a very small board, so small that any aggravation will quickly affect everybody else.
It's also an enneagram board where people are supposed to be working on their fixations, as human as they might be, and in this case, we are working with a few young people who are in a pretty dire need of good adult role models.
So i'm afraid that you'll still find me on your way, in some way, next time something like that happens.

Just picture me as the Jedi Consular of this corner of the Galaxy, because that too is human, and that is not going to change.

I have no interest with video chat, which is nothing personal. I would need to know much more about You, before endeavoring such a thing.* You offer few personal details, which might also be a habit of longevity.

An habit of longevity i don't know, but a life-long one yes, certainly.
I'm working on that though and i have been sharing quite a few personal things here or here for example.

Remain a person to me, we'll be fine.

Well, that was the whole point of my video chat proposal : It's way easier to meet as persons (and as Nature intended it) in a video chat than in a written format where everything and everybody are just pixels on a screen.

*I feel like I exist within some sort of judgment, be it my angst or euphoria. This would need to be removed, you've paid nothing forward that would equate intellectual safety. So I keep it here.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. What would be the intellectual danger here ?