Roshan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:34 pm
Okay, I'm trying to work some things out here....
Anthony, what was your typing trajectory with Alexander Biener? Did you consider Ne dom? What other types (if any) other than FeSi did you consider? Did you see him as specifically FeNe or as FeSi? Etc.
I did consider Ne dom, but not for very long at all.
Alpha extroversion—where the boundless novelty of Ne meets the colorful Fe collective swim and one is channeled through the other, whether from frame or agenda, and subsequently 'sold' or debated to others [often, as being transcendental]—seemed obvious from the start.
Energetically, however, he struck me almost immediately as
very Je and not Te dominant; it was hard to
not see Te role for him with all of his karate-chop gestures, and concerning his 'Integral Studies,' the attempt to
adorably 'sell' the Si stories/traditions by conceiving of them as instructional sTEps, and from frame, providing instances of them in already within the 'the culture we all love' ("those Star Wars movies that we all love to watch" and so on).
One can argue that Peterson, as TeNi, does a similar thing^^^, but I think it's more of a consequence of JePi (or JePe) in general, and I think it also applies to Alexander and wouldn't if he were NeTi.
There's this
video of DG, another TeNi, where he's doing something analogous—continually providing instances where his 'enneagrammatic symbols' are
already manifest in reality ("we already know that Sx is fire! We call people 'hot' all the time!"), allowing the viewer to reflect on their own perceptions and interactions, and then feel 'moved' by the apparent 'undeniable legitimacy' of his ideas. Allow me to emphasize, however, a major difference with both Peterson and DG as Je doms, which is that they're more portentous (Ni and Fi), abstracting, and FAR less adorable salesmen; and in a way, it makes them more convincing.
It's hard to imagine an NeTi, or any PeJi or PeJe, making such an effort to both provide and SELL objective, externalized (and thus observable)
order to their ideas via the epistemological orientation of Si or Ni, drawing on our relationship to stories and symbols of the past; the effort of NeFe for instance, as
Roshan explained, would be to provide '[collective] stimulation' instead (with Pe as frame and role, and Fe as agenda), or as another example, with NeTe, becoming a delta empire polymath JUST to embody the boundless possibility of Ne and 'ever-broaden their accomplished lives.'
Ne doms will
actively embody the breadth of Ne; Alexander seems like he's trying to
introduce and
sell the breadth of Ne to his audience, as though it's NOT his own frame—but "what we all love" IS.
With respect to his viewers, Alexander seems to first and foremost ingratiate himself by establishing common ground through the Fe swim ("what we all love"), and then proceeds to use that common ground to reveal its Si
stories and what we can learn from them, stuff
directly in our past (plucking the strings of our nostalgic hearts), which of course are obviously meaningful (based on the fact that we love them), and this opens up a 'whole NEw world' [of boundless Ne] from which we can reevaluate postmodernism.
Check out the first few minutes of
this video.
I didn't consider whether he was FeNe at the time I typed him, as I was mainly concerned with correctly ascertaining the basic type and didn't quite get to considering FeNe, but I do indeed see him as FeNe.
