CT Adult Poll Dance #5 Gar Lock

[Roshan]

What's his type? Choose four responses (ct, lead E type, stacking, trifix). Don't look at any other materials (if you even could?). You have a week, but don't wait til the last minute. It never works out.

[Roshan]

I couldn't vote because I looked at the only other materials of his I found (his twitter account, linked under the video). In any case I had interacted with him under the video when it came out too (which btw means I could easily ask him where that several hour video is that's mentioned in the OP vid). But with or without all that, my vote would be 369 sp/so tritype.

That much is clear to me; however, I vacillated between 6 all the way in 5 and 9 all the way in 8 for the lead. While knowing full well he seems energetically 9w8 > 6, certain crucial things he says show a stance that's more Sixish, in a pattern that's consistent. This became imo even more evident in the Twitter account. But since I see him as triple attached, 6 v. 9 to me is kind of a distinction without a difference (everything moves to 6 and 9 anyway).

So after reading a lot of his Twitter, I kind of settled on 6, while before I kind of settled on 9 lead. But my real problem was, and to an extent still is, the ct. I kept vacillating between SiFe and FiSe, all the while most annoyingly aware that quadra-wise he seemed beta. But no beta type fit. I wanted to be able to consider both Ne PolRs due to the obvious 'mud factor', but it seemed too much 'in the moment mud' for Ti frame. And while he could have been one of those not so verbal in the moment SiFe's, I eventually accepted that his Se was too high for unignored at his (high average-ish) health level. I also saw that a lot of his qualia and discernible cognitive patters are easily Sarah-ish. Then when I looked at his Twitter SF really seemed to be borne out.

That said, not any SF seems plausible. Twitter or no, he seems to me to be a very obvious introvert and I do mean very. He is in the zone. On top of it, he seems to me clearly Ti > Te as in 'the quiet ones have it all behind their ears'. He seems to always be cooking up and boiling down 'first principles' and tying together subtle meaning threads (with this being part of the reason he's not so articulate in the moment). But FiSe can be that way with role > inferior function. So I settled on FiSe.

But not without the nagging last minute suspicion that, as beta-ish as he seems to me, he miiiiiiiiight be NiFe, fourth-heavy and lacking in the 'FInesse' of a certain kind of education. However there seem to be a couple of clear indications that he isn't Te PolR (not that many, mind you), and while at first I balked about Si demo for him---because it seems to have a certain officiousness that Si frame followed by Fe often lacks--it actually becomes quite credible at various points (tbcd).

[Vincent]

Well, i went through a very similar trajectory.
I started with SiFe, quickly doubted he was alpha and tried to make beta and TiSe but couldn't, then i moved back to to FiSe and kept hesitating about it pretty much until i voted.
No extraverted type even remotely entered my mind the whole time, except FeSi in FiSe aura, for a nanosecond.

I did consider NiFe too toward the end, but i really don't think it's right.
I suspect that part of what's going on with his beta-ishness is that he grew up in a beta environment, has been surrounded by betas all his life, and is still working with "lost betas", but that one some level one of the reason he could help himself, then help them is because he isn't beta himself, but gamma, organically leaning toward the civilized side of the Socion.
Two things particularly struck me when he talks about the men he works with.
The first one is that he seems to be very aware of their lack of Fi.
The other one is that he is up to a fight but with a complete lack of dare. I suspect that this is actually this lack of dare that takes those betas off guard and disarm them, and then they have to find other ways to respect him.
Which is precisely what i often struggle a lot to do with the lost betas i work with.

tbcd.

[Vincent]

Which is precisely what i often struggle a lot to do with the lost betas i work with.

And that's also part of what's make him my benefactor, which really makes perfect sense.
It goes way beyond mere business and it's also different from activity.
With my TiSe activity partner, there is almost always a sense of "i'll do my thing, you'll do yours, and somehow it will work well". It's still symetrical, and a lot of it implicit and tacit, due to shared quadra values.
There is also something fragile about, it since any amount of shadowing can turn it into conflict, often as soon as the specific activity stops.

That's not at all what i get from him. For one thing, i get the impression i would learn a lot from it, and get pushed and inspired (which strongly points toward asymetrical relationship already) He also gives me something like a very energizing confrmation that working with those lost betas is really worth it, and that this is indeed how the Wheel of the Socion is at least supposed to turn, toward Gamma and civilization.

tbcd.