Beatles

[Roshan]

Well, I have watched the whole Dick Cavett interview now and I still think Lennon is NeTi. I also think Yoko is a massive TiSi jumper so they are mirrors BUT she also acts in a sense as his benefactor and gets him to access his iinferior function. Otherwise he would be insufferable just prattling on and on....

But needless to say feel free to disagree y'all.

[Roshan]

Yoko Ono has a massive gamma shadow. From a distance I thought she would turn out to be FiNi but no. (Which solves the huge problem of how could they be conflictors rather nicely). There's just too much rolling around in the sandbox and it's (almost) all too cerebral. However, she was known to run their financial empire like a hawk. She became something like a full-time business woman and he watched the wheels with the kids.

This almost makes me reconsider if George could be Ti...but nah.

[Vincent]

and post-Beatles. something like Imagine seem more alpha Fe > beta Fe

Which seems to imply that beatles stuff seems more beta Fe than alpha Fe to you. How so ?
Could you pinpoint what seems like beta Fe there ?

No, beatles stuff doesn't seem beta to me.
post-Beatles seems more alpha Fe > Beta Fe: He's alpha regardless of the group.

Well actually...
Imagine doesn't really strike me as alpha Fe.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

It has all the "one day / not yet, the "join us" we usually see in Ne heavy revolutionary deltas.
He is selling us universal peace under a single secularised and accultured banner.
ie : an empire.

In alpha the brotherhood ('Kumbaya) aspect is organic. It usually doesn't get that eschatological.

I'm not saying that's what he is though. I still think it could be NeTi.

Just saying that it's actually not that characteristical of alpha.

tbcd.

[Roshan]

Do you think there's any possibility they're TeNe and FiSi duals Vincent?

btw that would make him Paul's business partner instead of activity partner.

And I have this very strong feeling he has to be NT but then he would still be NT anyway...

[Vincent]

Yes, that's precisely what i'm starting to wonder.

I mean that song really sounds like delta Ni polr.

I completely agree he has to be some kind of NT, but i'm starting to think he might actually be my conflictor.

I'll rewatch/watch more soon to see if it holds.
tbcd.

[Vincent]

If he is TeNe, then his shadow is TiNi, and maybe that's where the ressemblance between him and me comes from

[Roshan]

It really would make sense that the Beatles were primarily an alpha/delta band and not alpha. Because they expedited the process of extracting delta from its beta and gamma roots to alphaize delta. Beatlemania can be seen as epitomizing the devolutionary moment. But it's devolutionary delta.

[Roshan]

Also, Lennon was a dandy.

[Roshan]

You really have to wonder why an NeTi would start off a song about how they live their private life with "People say I'm crazy" and then "People say I'm lazy" and explain themselves.

Whence this deeply ingrained civic-mindedness?

Again, his behaviors are not organic.

[Roshan]

Even Si-constipated NeTis like Jocko and Eric are organically synthetic. Aluminum is the state of society in nature pre-fall, it's what Rosseau was talking about.

John Lennon was a world citizen. In 'Watching the Wheels' he (among other things) apologizes for not doing what civilized people expect of him.