Nick Cave

[Roshan]

"Church, to some degree, is an ordering device as well that I find helpful."

[Roshan]

omg Nick Cave did not lose one son. He lost TWO. This is not at all apparent from the discussion.

His 15 year old son Arthur was killed in an accident in 2015. He fell off a cliff on acid. His 31 year old son Jethro was found dead of undisclosed causes in May of 2022. (Edit: the gf later seems to have disclosed them, below). I realized something was off because I knew he had a son named Jethro after Jethro Tull and I later found out that son died, but they called the son Arthur here.

Well, that might explain the seeming Fi dominant 'qualia'...it hasn't even been a year. And notably, he can't seem to even mention the second son.
Arthur had a twin, who is alive, and there is another son alive from his first marriage. Jethro has to be from the first marriage so may have lived apart from him for a long time. But still.

Edit: no, Jethro was not from either marriage. "Cave's son Jethro was also born in 1991, just ten days before Luke, and grew up with his mother, Beau Lazenby, in Melbourne, Australia. Cave and Jethro did not meet one another until Jethro was about seven or eight.[100][101] Jethro Lazenby, also known as Jethro Cave, died in May 2022, aged 31."--wiki. Odd it says they did not meet til then since I was under the impression he named him for Tull. Odd also he was born to a different woman ten days before his first wife gave birth. Perhaps that's why they did not meet...

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... d-1350667/

[Roshan]

Kinda creepy less than a year later not to mention this son.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -life.html

[Vincent]

He is 1 fixed, Wrath is his thing; also he whittles away from 9 to 5:30 with high Te. Everything is going somewhere. And Se polr goes without saying just no. He has to be NiTe.

I can see why you initially thought INFP, and why half the internet is tempted by it but yeah, i agree he has to be NiTe, and i also think you're right about that 1 fix.

[Vincent]

Realistically, for me to be the 'upper' one in an unequal relationship with him is absurd. We should be equals.

Identicals is quite plausible.

Yes it kinda is. And him and Blixa being kindreds also makes sense.

[Vincent]

Kinda creepy less than a year later not to mention this son.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -life.html

Yes it really is... especially since the interviewer insists so much on how open Nick Cave has been about the first of those two deaths...

[Vincent]

"Church, to some degree, is an ordering device as well that I find helpful."

"For me these days, working in the grand medieval cathedrals is another day in the office. I feel I have a very easy fit with that world."

Ian Anderson (who we also typed as NiTe but with 137 btw)

[Roshan]

Ian Anderson (who we also typed as NiTe but with 137 btw)

Yeah, Jethro Tull. What a find. HOW did you come by it?

I'm very disturbed by the omission of the death of Jethro. It casts a dark shadow on that whole Unherd talk, where presumably we're to see Cave as very evolved and a guiding light.

But it also strengthens the case for NiTe alas. Fe PolR can cut out swaths of affective experience, compartmentalizing them into convenient baskets, and let's say this can be not so nice. We have seen this on steroids with Isaac Uncooked. Well, Cave did say he identifies with the devil's need to repent. 17 stations of the cross, that's a lot of stations.

Anyway, NiTe for Nick. Maybe we'll delve into the materials I provided and others to flesh out more how it shows up...for one thing in the interview there is his insistence on comfort with radical doubt...

[Roshan]

Yes it really is... especially since the interviewer insists so much on how open Nick Cave has been about the first of those two deaths...

Freddy, TiSe, is Nick's benefactor and he did SEEM to be ushering him through the waves of Se, but probably he's so in awe of him he wound up acting in TeSi shadow to not have to collapse...the excruciatingly obvious.

[Vincent]

Ian Anderson (who we also typed as NiTe but with 137 btw)

Yeah, Jethro Tull. What a find. HOW did you come by it?

I fell asleep while i was re-reading the Anderson thread on enneaforum, woke up a few minutes later with an image of the two of them in a gothic cathedral, went to google to search "Ian Anderson Church" with a very strong gut feeling there would be something to find. It was there in the first few results.