We typed her as FiNe here. In particular in one speech she gave she seemed very Se PolR, and you, Vincent, were initially surprised she would be Se PolR. Now I am wondering if she isn't actually a Martine Rothblattesque TeSi "Dandy". Orrrr...something else?
(btw Kellie-Jay Keen aka Posie Parker appears several times here. The longest one is @1:41'32". I guess I'm right about SeFi. At times I've wondered about TeSe).
Contrapoints Redux
Contrapoints Redux
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Re: Contrapoints Redux
Just watched that segment so far and, well, i can't say i'm feeling supervised. My first impression is that SeFi is probably right indeed.
About Contrapoint, i reread most of the old thread this morning. I will watch the rest of the video when i get some quiet, hopefully tonight.
tbcd soon.
Re: Contrapoints Redux
We can also go back to the videos Contrapoints used to make. The one below is a half hour. She makes very few now and the recent one above was different. Typically she played all the characters and everyone laid out their arguments. The operant word is arguments. There is massive T compared to F and there is a legalistic debate format to it all. She is just not saturated in the F ocean like (I think) FiNe is. Not sure what I was seeing back then. I thought she was 4w5(3w4). Jazz pointed out she's 3w4(4w5). If she's even that and not (2w3). Oc Cp has extremely high aesthetic production values, especially for yt so there's that. But then again there is the TeSi 'dandy'. On a related note, she has privated all her pre-transition videos because she is no longer that person, which is why so many are blocked on EF. This feels like 'instrumental Si' and a violation of the record.
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Re: Contrapoints Redux
Hmm...
i do agree the violation of the record doesn't sound like Si agenda, nor any kind of Si absolute value.
and i also agree that it feels like way too much Te for Te seeking, but i'm not sure it's frame either and i can't say i'm seeing TeSi yet.
I do see some similarity with Martien Rothblatt, but compared to CP, Martine seems... utterly unironical to me.
I can't say i'm getting any conflictor vibes from CP either.
The thing is all those very legalistic T arguments kind of dissolves each other and ultimately everything vanishes in a "poof".
To me it feels like a lot of Te (and Ne) but for no Ti result at the end.
To the point i'm starting to wonder if she might not actually be NeFi.
tbcd.
i do agree the violation of the record doesn't sound like Si agenda, nor any kind of Si absolute value.
and i also agree that it feels like way too much Te for Te seeking, but i'm not sure it's frame either and i can't say i'm seeing TeSi yet.
I do see some similarity with Martien Rothblatt, but compared to CP, Martine seems... utterly unironical to me.
I can't say i'm getting any conflictor vibes from CP either.
The thing is all those very legalistic T arguments kind of dissolves each other and ultimately everything vanishes in a "poof".
To me it feels like a lot of Te (and Ne) but for no Ti result at the end.
To the point i'm starting to wonder if she might not actually be NeFi.
tbcd.
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Re: Contrapoints Redux
"Which matters more ? the freedom to live an authentic life or the freedom to crush degenerates under the heel of a jackboot ? As a centrist, i'm undecided, but the important thing is we are talking about it".
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https://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainm ... story.html
"Recently, she became ensnared in a Twitter feud after expressing discomfort with gender-neutral pronouns (“they,” instead of “he” or “she,” for example). Briefly, she deactivated her account." (2019)
And then emerged on yt in 2020 as transtrender Baltimore Maryland (which is where she lives).
"Recently, she became ensnared in a Twitter feud after expressing discomfort with gender-neutral pronouns (“they,” instead of “he” or “she,” for example). Briefly, she deactivated her account." (2019)
And then emerged on yt in 2020 as transtrender Baltimore Maryland (which is where she lives).
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Also quoting Vincent, "but compared to CP, Martine seems... utterly unironical to me."
Irony is CP's middle name. And the undecided centrist is both a caricature of a let's say center right talk show host AND an aspect of CP herself. Specifically, the one who argued on Twitter against 'they, them' pronouns.
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Also, while Baltimore Maryland's arguments may be unassailable (from a certain perspective), BM is not likeable. BM is cold. 'Their' confidence in their unassailability holds the seeds of them being the next crusher of degenerates.
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NeFi creative subtype. Fi doesn't seem instrumental due to the cohesiveness of the aesthetic structure and the (relatively) consistent digging into layers of self awareness. But the digging is highly intellectualized and the identity is fluid. And so sides can easily be switched. (But only up to a point. She can only become an actual right winger in the recognition of a character flaw).