Muammar Gaddafi

[Vincent]

Before reviewing any material, my first impression was that he would be either a beta or one of those SeFi Barons leading beta tribes (or trying to).

Now the more i watch from him the more i feel the former is correct.
I've been hesitating mostly between SeTi in SiTe (in part because he reminds me quite a lot of Huey P Newton) and TiSe, and TiSe would be my current guess.

[Roshan]

Two amazing young photos here. The first confirms my suspicion that he is a [sx/so] 6 (as does the text in the article about him swaggering around and being a sex symbol).

Any residual doubts I'd had that he might not be an 8-fixed 6 but an 8, as David Gray insisted, were dispelled at 6'30"-6'33' in this video.

[Roshan]

I expected him to probably be SeFi but that didn't hold up when I tried to type him through younger materials. I wound up considering TeNi because he has a similar look in his eyes to Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson and his wikipedia article describes his speeches as "an inexhaustible flow; didactic, at times incoherent; peppered with snatches of half-formed opinions; admonitions; confidences; some sound common sense, and as much prejudice", which more or less could apply to Brand and Peterson too. I also thought his Green Book was not dissimilar to Peterson's Maps of Meaning in apparent expedient use of Ni. But once I went back to looking at footage from when he was older, that theory was quickly dispelled. There is no way TeNi could age the way he did. But I did maintain the sense that he was an Ni and Te user.

Then I saw Vincent's suggestion of TiSe and I realized it was probably right, by process of elimination. But actually there is a strong case for it.

[Vincent]

I was tempted with TeNi for a bit, and even with FiSe, but he is really not enough of an individualist and too much of a tribesman to be Gamma. He really has to be Beta, and then it can't be SeTi because SeTi would simply and directly assume power and leadership.
Gaddafi doesn't not. He will insist that he is not the Cheftain, not the head of any government, not Lybia's chief of state. Instead he is a Colonel in an Army that doesn't quite exist anymore and the Inspiration of an ongoing, unfinished Revolution. Something like the Power behind a Throne that supposedly doesn't exist yet/anymore.
And that's pretty typical of how some TiSe win" beta subservience complex games. "A government ? What government ?" and "the People as only legimitate authority" is both Fe seeking and Ne polr as power.

The Green Book strikes me as extremely Ti/Ni too. It's both an handbook for the End of History and the ultimate axiomatic solution to all social and political problems, for any and all future utopias.

And then a lot of his eccentricities (like his insinstance of planting his Bedouin tent wherevere he goes) start to make perfect sense as weaponized Si 6th moves.

He also has a lot of pretty uncanny similarities with a LOT of our TiSe exemplars. He sometimes reminds me a lot of Ralph Nader for example... In some respects, his societal project is pretty much identical to Varg Vikernes' one... and he shares with our last TiSe exemplar to date a tendency to disjointed long-windedness and a drive toward Martyrdom.

tbcd.

[Roshan]

I was tempted with TeNi for a bit, and even with FiSe, but he is really not enough of an individualist and too much of a tribesman to be Gamma.

No, he isn't, but his insistence on direct rather than representative democracy made me entertain the notion that he could be.

He really has to be Beta, and then it can't be SeTi because SeTi would simply and directly assume power and leadership.

He also isn't enough of a debater to be SeTi. He doesn't have Ti tool in 'seamless' second row T.

Gaddafi doesn't not. He will insist that he is not the Cheftain, not the head of any government, not Lybia's chief of state. Instead he is a Colonel in an Army that doesn't quite exist anymore and the Inspiration of an ongoing, unfinished Revolution. Something like the Power behind a Throne that supposedly doesn't exist yet/anymore.
And that's pretty typical of how some TiSe win" beta subservience complex games. "A government ? What government ?" and "the People as only legimitate authority"

while maintaining absolute rule with an iron fist

is both Fe seeking and Ne polr as power.

The Green Book strikes me as extremely Ti/Ni too. It's both an handbook for the End of History and the ultimate axiomatic solution to all social and political problems, for any and all future utopias.


Yes, but it has to be stressed that he gives the appearance of being a "Te user" and, as discussed, this probably has to do with an unusually amplified Te fifth due not so much to being in 'shadow' or in 'halo', but to having become wedded to the Army.


And then a lot of his eccentricities (like his insinstance of planting his Bedouin tent wherevere he goes) start to make perfect sense as weaponized Si 6th moves.

He also has a lot of pretty uncanny similarities with a LOT of our TiSe exemplars. He sometimes reminds me a lot of Ralph Nader for example... In some respects, his societal project is pretty much identical to Varg Vikernes' one... and he shares with our last TiSe exemplar to date a tendency to disjointed long-windedness and a drive toward Martyrdom.

Perhaps more importantly (for me), the older Gaddafi's facial expressions and 'qualia' are remarkably similar to RFKJ's and Varg's. The soft, martyred, somewhat confused and frightened dreaminess...but still heavy on the Se...


tbcd.

[Vincent]

I was tempted with TeNi for a bit, and even with FiSe, but he is really not enough of an individualist and too much of a tribesman to be Gamma.

No, he isn't, but his insistence on direct rather than representative democracy made me entertain the notion that he could be.

Yes,i can easily see why but the thing is, for him, direct democracy is the "third way between Liberalism and Communism". His solution to "the problem of democracy". It's the result of a process of elimination. Self-represented individuals is what remains in your democratic equation after you simplified it and got rid of parliaments and parties.
All Ti, no real Fi.

He really has to be Beta, and then it can't be SeTi because SeTi would simply and directly assume power and leadership.

He also isn't enough of a debater to be SeTi. He doesn't have Ti tool in 'seamless' second row T.

Gaddafi doesn't not. He will insist that he is not the Cheftain, not the head of any government, not Lybia's chief of state. Instead he is a Colonel in an Army that doesn't quite exist anymore and the Inspiration of an ongoing, unfinished Revolution. Something like the Power behind a Throne that supposedly doesn't exist yet/anymore.
And that's pretty typical of how some TiSe win" beta subservience complex games. "A government ? What government ?" and "the People as only legimitate authority"

while maintaining absolute rule with an iron fist

Yes, and another thing is, he never actually settled with a Tribe or tried to achieve an actual Fe agenda.. Lybia was never enough, and he was kind of always moving the Fe goalpost, seeking for more ; A panarabic socialist world, the islamic 'Umma, the United States of Africa... while maintaing very shaddy foreign relations.

is both Fe seeking and Ne polr as power.

The Green Book strikes me as extremely Ti/Ni too. It's both an handbook for the End of History and the ultimate axiomatic solution to all social and political problems, for any and all future utopias.


Yes, but it has to be stressed that he gives the appearance of being a "Te user" and, as discussed, this probably has to do with an unusually amplified Te fifth due not so much to being in 'shadow' or in 'halo', but to having become wedded to the Army.

And then a lot of his eccentricities (like his insinstance of planting his Bedouin tent wherevere he goes) start to make perfect sense as weaponized Si 6th moves.

He also has a lot of pretty uncanny similarities with a LOT of our TiSe exemplars. He sometimes reminds me a lot of Ralph Nader for example... In some respects, his societal project is pretty much identical to Varg Vikernes' one... and he shares with our last TiSe exemplar to date a tendency to disjointed long-windedness and a drive toward Martyrdom.

Perhaps more importantly (for me), the older Gaddafi's facial expressions and 'qualia' are remarkably similar to RFKJ's and Varg's. The soft, martyred, somewhat confused and frightened dreaminess...but still heavy on the Se...


Yes. Something about the way he often holds his head and torso too. Increasing the distance between him and his interlocutor, giving the impression he his looking through them and past them, staring right above the horizon, stoically lost in the Mists. But it's also the move a Cobra makes before striking.

tbcd.