Type 8

[Roshan]

Let's not forget that if either 6 or 9 disintegrate to 3 you still get a Vindictive Psychopath at the bottom, and at the nadir murder is still the preferred form of 'problem solving'.

Elimination of the adversary. 8 and 3.

(With the pretext of a social rationale this can also apply to 1, and so you will still have the sociopathic 6w7 and 9w1, though oc it's more common with 6w5 and 9w8).

[Anthony]

Hmmm, you guys are making a lot of sense.

I thought Tony had to be an 8; he seemed way too gutty, willing to throw his weight around, and lustful (cheating on his wife, couldn't get enough, etc.).
He's nerve-wracking to watch, yes, not only because you don't know where he'll land, but he flips between intimidatingly iron-fisted and powerfully benevolent & generous—that he retains his power in both states is the common denominator. All of this just seemed like way too much for a 6 lead.
But, he doesn't really retain his power; there are many instances, as you pointed out, where he nervously breaks down and aggressively acts out. Though even in spite of the fact that Tony has "panic attacks," it's almost hard to believe because it's difficult to differentiate between his anxiety and anger (which should perfectly align with 6 lead).

There was a LOT of very obvious 6ish stuff, and I originally wanted to type him sp/SO 8w9-6w7-3w2, but...8 lead is part of the sovereign triad...and I don't think Tony fits there.

[Roshan]

Hmmm, you guys are making a lot of sense.

I thought Tony had to be an 8; he seemed way too gutty,

Only 8s can be way gutty? And it has to lead?

willing to throw his weight around,

8's throw their weight around?.

and lustful (cheating on his wife, couldn't get enough, etc.).

Do you think Harvey Weinstein is an 8?

He's nerve-wracking to watch, yes, not only because you don't know where he'll land, but he flips between intimidatingly iron-fisted and powerfully benevolent & generous


Post clips where you think he's intimidatingly iron fisted or powerfully benevolent, or flipping between them. If you think the OP does, where, why?

—that he retains his power in both states is the common denominator.

Where, how do you see him retaining his power in the OP?

All of this just seemed like way too much for a 6 lead.
But, he doesn't really retain his power; there are many instances, as you pointed out, where he nervously breaks down and aggressively acts out.
Though even in spite of the fact that Tony has "panic attacks," it's almost hard to believe because it's difficult to differentiate between his anxiety and anger (which should perfectly align with 6 lead).

This is what I've been trying to tell people for years. Anger is not a problem for 8.

There was a LOT of very obvious 6ish stuff, and I originally wanted to type him sp/SO 8w9-6w7-3w2, but...8 lead is part of the sovereign triad...and I don't think Tony fits there.

Do you agree with the typing of Archie Bunker ('All In The Family') as a 6?

[Anthony]

No, obviously other types can be way gutty, but in Tony's case—especially with the associations between E8 and Italian mafia leaders—it was hard to unsee 8 lead.

Also, since when do 8s not throw their weight around? How was Saddam Hussein not throwing his weight around in that video?

And no, Weinstein is a pretty obvious 9w8, and I don't know the Archie Bunker character.

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I'll look for more clips of Tony.

[Roshan]

No, obviously other types can be way gutty, but in Tony's case—especially with the associations between E8 and Italian mafia leaders—it was hard to unsee 8 lead.

But that's just what it is--an association, no more. Like Fours and artists, Twos and nurses, Sixes and detectives, Ones and judges...

Also, since when do 8s not throw their weight around?

Since always.

How was Saddam Hussein not throwing his weight around in that video?

I see a strong movement to schizoid Five in his eyes, very similar to Shaun's (a 5). Which is understandable, since he knows he's going to be executed, and the look intensifies when he is.

You ask how he wasn't throwing his weight around. How about how was he? Did he have superfluous movements? Lose his center of gravity? Lean in? Punch out? Yell? Kick? Where is his weight? This schizoid line to 5 is if anything a movement inward. What's so extraordinary is how through it all he manages to seamlessly continue to manipulate emotionally at Two with appeals to pride, (compliant) ties, Allah, injustice, the national honor...he even puts his hand on his heart a la Two. That's someone who can walk and chew gum at the same time imo. Someone who can get to you with icky sticky Two glue at the same time he enters internally into the Void.

And no, Weinstein is a pretty obvious 9w8, and I don't know the Archie Bunker character.

What about Jeffrey Epstein, from the little we have of him--photos, second hand accounts, criminal charges..

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I'll look for more clips of Tony.

[Roshan]

Russell Dobular, Due Dissidence youtube political channel. See 3:11'17" - 3:13'33". Never be the horse; always be the driver. Also 3:51'08" - 3:56'09". The pugnacious, truth-seeking, bullshit calling person.

[Roshan]

Russell Dobular redux (on the right). I knew he would not disappoint. The right clip would come around to replace the one above that was stolen. @13'33"-17'50". Note the movement to Two (protectiveness of the carpenter and his tenants) and to Five (a treasure trove of 'shit he just knows' used for strategic purposes--how to stall legally, how to call the fire department instead of the Dept. of Buildings...) and just that je ne sais quoi that is base metabolism withdrawal as defense mechanism. Also how, as a L5 Dominating Power Broker, he goes up to L4 Enterprising Adventurer and L3 Constructive Leader, as well as down to L6 Confrontational Adversary. Granted, he has reason to be confrontational and adversarial here but we have often seen him when he has not; he does not go down to L7 Ruthless Outlaw here but you can see the delight he got from jerking the guy around the legal system and imagine him equally enjoying doing it to someone who didn't really deserve it. He has had plenty of forays into lawlessness within the unwritten laws of the youtube political 'ecosystem' he inhabits. To be fair, finally having a successful channel that he can live off of, he seems to be well on his way to moving his COG up to L3, which is quite high. Maybe soon he'll face the challenge of 'shocking up' into actual high health; we'll see if he meets it with as much gusto as when he's confronted all those adversaries, soooo many adversaries...

There is really nothing in the video that couldn't come straight out of the mouth of a cph Six (and in fact he is Six-fixed). The difference is in the effortlessness of it, no need to push or pull, just matter of fact, business as usual. Eight.

[Roshan]

@1:21'16"1-1:23'39" Russell Dobular's Eightiness never disappoints. Here in this Halloween video he talks about why ordinary people who follow politics think Elon Musk is their friend.

His Six is really obvious too; he is double Warrior. And 368 triple Sovereign. See second and third harmonic groups.