Vincent wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:44 pm
He does seem to have a lot of 5, but no actual Alchemist fix.
Can you articulate why not?
Counterphobic doubt really fits,and so does Authoritarian Rebel.
Very true, very Authoritarian Rebel. And he just seems to have that far off staring INTO the abyss from just outside of it of 6w55w4.
Another thing is, despite all his mysticism he is still very very cartesian (and at times, in his debate with Henri Levy he sounds more like a french post-structuralist than him).
Which does not seem FeNi.
The second video you posted has pretty heavy gnostic undertones
They are hardly undertones. The second video is gnostic.
(an oxymoron already) but... that's a gnostic who is more eager to end this world than to transcend it.
So are many Christians.
I agree he doesn't seem to have an actual 4 fix.
I will take another look at Mearsheimer soon.
Yeah, I keep going back to Mearsheimer but people keep ignoring him.
Re: Dugin
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:27 am
by Roshan
Vincent wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:44 pm
I will take another look at Mearsheimer soon.
Somebody made this for you and even put it to music. Mearsheimer in 8 minutes.
I thought he was 378 but now I lean strongly to 358 with the 7 being '8 all the way in 7' lead.
Vincent wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:44 pm
He does seem to have a lot of 5, but no actual Alchemist fix.
Can you articulate why not?
Well, he seems to have formed most of his philosophy quite early and since then he seems to have mostly expanded on it and spread it all over the place. I don't see him as being on a quest to find the Philosopher Stone. He already had his Epiphany. And he doesn't seem to need much of a laboratory either.
Counterphobic doubt really fits,and so does Authoritarian Rebel.
Very true, very Authoritarian Rebel. And he just seems to have that far off staring INTO the abyss from just outside of it of 6w55w4.
Another thing is, despite all his mysticism he is still very very cartesian (and at times, in his debate with Henri Levy he sounds more like a french post-structuralist than him).
Which does not seem FeNi.
Hmm, i think it's still consistent with prematurely found Ti 4th.
Jung has some aspect of that too, and it's one of the reasons i suspect FeNi might be right for him.
The second video you posted has pretty heavy gnostic undertones
They are hardly undertones. The second video is gnostic.
Well, yes, it is, but it's also a lot about Pavel Florensky (whom Dugin confesses he underestimated btw). It's not obvious to me where Florensky's voice ends and Dugin's one begins, so to speak, especially since i still think he is Si polr.
(an oxymoron already) but... that's a gnostic who is more eager to end this world than to transcend it.
So are many Christians.
I agree he doesn't seem to have an actual 4 fix.
I will take another look at Mearsheimer soon.
Yeah, I keep going back to Mearsheimer but people keep ignoring him.
I still a some work to do tonight but i'll go back to him soon (and watch the last video of Dugin you posted).
tbcd.
Re: Dugin
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:00 pm
by Roshan
Vincent wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:44 pm
He does seem to have a lot of 5, but no actual Alchemist fix.
Can you articulate why not?
Well, he seems to have formed most of his philosophy quite early and since then he seems to have mostly expanded on it and spread it all over the place. I don't see him as being on a quest to find the Philosopher Stone. He already had his Epiphany. And he doesn't seem to need much of a laboratory either.
....
Another thing is, despite all his mysticism he is still very very cartesian (and at times, in his debate with Henri Levy he sounds more like a french post-structuralist than him).
Which does not seem FeNi.
Hmm, i think it's still consistent with prematurely found Ti 4th.
Jung has some aspect of that too, and it's one of the reasons i suspect FeNi might be right for him.
This in particular seems easily Te role with ultimately low valuing of Ti (and 6 >>> 5).
(In fact sometimes he seems NeFi creative of the CJ Hopkins stripe).
Re: Dugin
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:35 am
by Roshan
I found a few less recent photos of Dugin, here and also in here. I must say he really does seem beta when younger; he has that 'not self' limpid, almost empty look of a certain kind of Fe in the eyes along with the burliness of Se. (I mean he still has it but it's not as glaringly obvious). In the top image he really brings to mind Castro.
So it must be FeNi creative because he can't be Fi PolR and his Ti is too whacky for second slot. And at the end of the day he fits in with FeNi 'cult leader', albeit a VERY Ti peacocky one. His Ti sometimes gives me a headache, it sounds so forced.
Re: Dugin
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:45 pm
by Vincent
Roshan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:00 pm
This in particular seems easily Te role with ultimately low valuing of Ti (and 6 >>> 5).
Yes, that's exactly what it sounds like to me too.
And once again, it seems he really really can't let the dead masters of my lineage rest in peace, even when there is absolutely no need for him to drop their names to make his pseudo-point.
Levi-Strauss with BHL, now Durkheim ? Really ?
The more he does that, the more creepy i find his Si polr, and the more convinced i get that he is indeed my mirror.
Re: Dugin
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:17 pm
by Roshan
Vincent wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:45 pm
it seems he really really can't let the dead masters of my lineage rest in peace, even when there is absolutely no need for him to drop their names to make his pseudo-point.
Levi-Strauss with BHL, now Durkheim ? Really ?
My favorite so far is that he wishes to be seen as a cultural relativist in the tradition of Franz Boas.
