Terra Incognita

So he basically ran a family business.

He may in fact have been a TiSe creative who became very slovenly and corpulent, so doesn't appear as 'tenuous' as Ti frame does (even with say a Tarkovsky on some level). I am leaning to it because the scores of takes without giving the actors more direction, saying do it the same way, and already having the picture in his head sounds Ji and Ne PolR, and...he used to make money as a chess hustler. Also the stare is starting to seem like it plausibly could be upper slot Fe. And 'ST' seems fair.

It's funny with TiSe because there are the Bambi-eyed ones and there are the squinters...

nb: not settled on it

tbcd

How do I imagine him with me?

I don't imagine much tbh. I imagine submitting to his paternalistic/avuncular directing but getting frustrated with the lack of continued input; also not developing a close relationship with him. It feels like there would have been a chasm between us to cross, with all those takes with no direction. Then, the whole family seems too high Fe, or Si, or...something for me after all, and since he invited people to the kitchen...

Happiest when the actors left and the film was his. Yes, it sounds like could be inferior F.
Only toward the end the doc mentions the process of discussing the script. The process was long but the doc doesn't go into it. So no, the process with the actors wasn't...primary. Obviously this was clear with 2001 but not necessarily with The Shining e.g.

But it sounds like ultimately the actors were models like the set models were..

Guy is right who says 2001 was saved by 12 year olds. We liked it because it was our future.

Jesus f., that archive.

Anyway, there is this too.

I have not listened yet. Need to buy new earbuds.

Surely Kubrick's belief that he wouldn't be good at interviews (which was why he didn't do them, thus how the myth that he was a hermit started) seems due to Ne PolR, being that no Fe PolR types are on the table. So any temptation that might reemerge to type him as TeNi creative is probably best resisted. And he does seem T > F and Fe > Fi after all, I guess?, so it really does leave me TiSe. I'm trying to corroborate this through intertype.

I guess it's possible that, like that other actress, I would have felt he said just the right word at just the right time to me and he uplifted me and was obviously a magnanimous heart, and oh those were such happy days. What's on the doc are a lot of people refuting that he was a cold son of a bitch. You never get to hear the people who say he was.

What's also missing are any accounts of what the protracted discussions of the script with the actors were like and it is only alluded to that he went into the details of the story at great length because the scripts were so complicated. I would like to know how he approached the characters. Though perhaps it is already in there, in as much as it was stressed the casting calls never specified what they were like (beyond sex, age, etc.) to see what each person would bring. He probably was just very particular about making sure the actors understood what was happening in the scripts.

In any case I get the feeling he would 'make me or break me' if I had been there. The right word or look would have made me, the wrong one would have broken me. I'm nothing like the extraverted actor who arrived and insisted on being brought to the shooting and meeting him right away, when Kubrick probably had no intention of acknowledging his existence that day. Yes, it's notable that Kubrick had no issue with him doing that but I (and most people) would not have done that. And I'll listen to the two hour interview but I don't think I would have felt emboldened to become more like that while he was doing his 60th take without giving me any direction even though I would have felt more and more like I needed to. It goes without saying that this could be an unequal relationship and ain't nobody giving Fe.

In which I would have had to just 'pick up' his Se. or not, and I think the context would have been just too big and complex for that to happen.

Assuming TiSe dude's got some weird 'qualia'. Let us see what Auvergne le Rouge has to say about TiSe signals here and here..

It was getting warmer until he used Musk for all four functions developedl. If he thought Kubrick was TiSe, he'd have to jump through hoops to try and differentiate the two of them just by dint of one being 'adaptive' and one being 'directive' Fe, especially since I do agree about Musk being TiSe.

This does bring up issues like how can Kubrick be the same as say Tarkovsky? Talking qualia-wise but not only. (How much do qualia even matter?). It's actually easy to see in a lot of his and Tarkovsky's work. Solaris/2001; Sacrifice. Rublev/Barry Lyndon...but...where's Platoon? This is where something like this--which I found checking to see if Auburn typed Kubrick (but how could he have, there is no sustained on camera footage of him, on top of how smack dab middle brow Auburn is)--is interesting.

Roshan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:56 am
This is where something like this...is interesting.

Obviously there is no such animal as a Te Se Ni Fi ESTJ in our zoo. The author may be using some modified system, I will try to check, it seems unlikely he would specifically break down the functions and go into such detail if he had NO idea what he means. But even if he just thinks you can take MBTI letters and ascribe any orientation it's 'out of the mouths of babes'. Because yes, Kubrick presents an odd mishmash of qualia, behaviors, and themes, and while he is no ESTJ it's notable this babe's singled-out functions correspond to the extraverted type I considered (ENTJ).

Roshan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:00 am
Surely Kubrick's belief that he wouldn't be good at interviews (which was why he didn't do them, thus how the myth that he was a hermit started) seems due to Ne PolR, being that no Fe PolR types are on the table. So any temptation that might reemerge to type him as TeNi creative is probably best resisted.

The reason I said this is that this is a very specific thing: Ne PolRs don't like to improvise and they do terribly in on the spot Q & A. Their minds go blank.

Whereas, even the most withdrawn TeNi should be able to field questions fine, being they're Si PolR so they'll just keep cooking the books and churning, so their minds don't have to go blank. And anyway they have Fe role. Weird Fe role but still Fe role. So they should be able to just sit back and bask in their own glory even when they can't think of anything to say, like DG in BHE (assuming DG is in fact a withdrawn TeNi).

Always 'ready for my closeup, Mr. DeMille'.