Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz (SeFi/SiFe Extinguishers)

[Vincent]

I think my problem is that celebs aren't interesting enough for me, and I react to things I don't like...

I'm not sure i'm following Jonathan. Are we speaking about Lucille Ball or Joan Rivers ? And what was it that you didn't like ?

Anyway, i'm sure you noticed that we aren't typing celebs just because they are celebs. Celebs or not our exemplars become exemplars because they hold some piece of some puzzle or because there is something interesting in their typing. So they are all part of the work.

And speaking of exemplars, keep in mind that you can always suggest your own.

[Anthony]

Them being contraries does make a LOT of sense and it certainly sounds like a lot of the failure has to do with Desi's Te polr, making him ultimately unable to sustain the empire he created.
Lucille pretty much nails it when she says that "he had to lose". And he pretty much confirms it when he so absurdly says that he was "just a prop".

I also think they're SeFi/SiFe extinguishers and I agree with this.

"He could win, he could work very hard, he was brilliant, but he had to lose..."
To me, it also sounds like Lucille helped Desi unignore Se and that's where they met together, 'at Se.' Lucille was enough of a natural powerhouse to entice a triple-attached Desi into 'spinning up an empire' with her based on their dynamic, but the extinguishment, like Roshan said, also ultimately gave way to Desi's reactive womanizing and alcoholism—his SeFi shadow.

[Jonathan]

I think my problem is that celebs aren't interesting enough for me, and I react to things I don't like...

I'm not sure i'm following Jonathan. Are we speaking about Lucille Ball or Joan Rivers ? And what was it that you didn't like ?

Vincent, I won't burden you with a bunch of history, but I don't like 7's. They've never done me well, and in turn there is no love lost. I'll go like a dog at any opportunity to tear away the facade. I will (unfortunately) rarely have nice things to say. I'll react... to their lack of investment, authenticity, flitting about, etc. You name it. It's all an-intimate to me.