Martin/e Rothblatt

[Roshan]

Inevitably, I suppose, thoughts of Morgue begin to waft through my beleaguered but intrigued mind...



We shall see.

[Roshan]

Image search.

I'm not so sure a lot of what seems to be Fi dom isn't Si creative. She isn't really energetically all that different from Sylvia (SiTe).

[Roshan]

I found a childhood photo and two when ze was a man.

[Roshan]

Leading me to realize that this photo I passed on is authentic too.

[Vincent]

Inevitably, I suppose, thoughts of Morgue begin to waft through my beleaguered but intrigued mind...



We shall see.

Hmm.... was just skimming over the Morgue thread,and it jumped at me that i was speaking about "clones and drones", delta "molds" and in vitro gene selection there...

[Vincent]

Despite the undeniable impression of FiNe energetics, a cursory gleaning of this article so far makes it not hard at all to consider creative subtype ESTJ field marshal with a massive Fi pipeline for M. Rothblatt...

tbcd

I'm not done with it yet but yeah...Not hard at all indeed.

At this point, i'm pretty sure Martine will end up being some kind of configuration of TeSi.

I was leaning toward it already last night. Even more now that i saw the photos Roshan posted.

In a nutshell (i'll elaborate on this later with timestamps later), the reason i was leaning toward TeSi rather than FiNe (or NeFi, or any alpha) is because what s/he talks about, and more importantly what s/he does, is never quite what i would expect from a transhumanist dreamer.
S/he never really talk about "immortality through self upload" in a really transcendant or gnostic way. Not quite.
She doesn't dream out loud about virtual twins, avatars and digital reincarnations, like most transhumanist actually would.
S/he talks about clones., And even if she constantly blurries the boundaries between us and them, there is still an implied hierarchy there already, with very pragmatical implications.
So there is always a step she doesn't quite cross, and something like a twist, that makes her insanity actually viable as a project and a program.

I get the impression that she poses as a romantic post-modern Victor Frankenstein, but that ultimately, she is working on engineering a new brand of slaves. Or several actually.

[Roshan]

ultimately, she is working on engineering a new brand of slaves.

hmmm....well, at any rate ze may be a field marshal supervising zis wife...

[Anthony]

@ 15:10 of the last video, Bina says "You can be whoever you want, that's the exciting part, and it's so cool because [Bina 48] has got everything; it speaks German, I love it!" I know for a fact, without even looking up, that Bina does not speak German herself, and I can't help but be reminded of the clip from 8:16 to 9:41 in the Alan Resnick "Live Forever As You Are Now" video.

And then I found this:


Going back to the idea that Martin/e could be FiNe, I find it difficult to see how s/he can be Fi dominant and Ni role and Si agenda while sustaining the belief (and expecting us to sustain the belief as well) that these robots will at all be able to supplant humans, if only for the very reason that they just don't currently feel anything like us and s/he hasn't addressed it, and what's more, since they just can't incorporate within them the foundational nature of the human experience (i.e., our way of facing death), not to mention the fact that this is obviously already an extraordinarily difficult (almost impossible) feat of engineering,

Sure—social media, video surveillance, etc., are useful ways to amass concrete information about ourselves. It also seems likely that with concrete, observable information, and with enough of it, it's theoretically possible to make accurate inferences about our tendencies and motivations, and eventually engineer seemingly indistinguishable cyber-simulacrums of our 'flesh-bound' minds—that is, if the mind clone continually amasses information and updates itself over time. With enough [of the right] information and especially fancy programming, we can artificially simulate what superficially appears like a human experience, and further, mitigate potential conflict with mind clones in the manner Martin/e described.

they likely won't ever feel like us; whether or not they eventually WILL, well, Martin/e can't claim to honestly know that—certainly not while failing to regard our way of facing death as obviously fundamental to the nature of our human experience.

I agree that it's s/he's probably TeSi, maybe TeNe specifically, one that expediently peacocks hallmark card (Roshan's term) Fi (oxymoronic as that is, but still, "every being should be valued the way they value themselves") as, in he/r case (as a likely delta extravert), a corollary of having been transfixed by the 'riches of Ne' with nothing collapsed in the way of Ni—it seems that nothing SHOULD ever be collapsed, in he/r mind, as Roshan has noted before about Ni PoLR. I'm repeating myself here, but not once do I recall he/r bringing up the concern, for instance, that if my clone is immortal and it IS a cyber-simulacrum of my flesh-bound consciousness, will it not go insane in the way that I likely would? And if it doesn't, how is it anything like me on any fundamental level?
"We have Ne and that's that."

[Vincent]

Going back to the idea that Martin/e could be FiNe, I find it difficult to see how s/he can be Fi dominant and Ni role and Si agenda while sustaining the belief (and expecting us to sustain the belief as well) that these robots will at all be able to supplant humans, if only for the very reason that they just don't currently feel anything like us and s/he hasn't addressed it, and what's more, since they just can't incorporate within them the foundational nature of the human experience (i.e., our way of facing death), not to mention the fact that this is obviously already an extraordinarily difficult (almost impossible) feat of engineering,

Well, this is as Ni polr it gets, but in that regard she is actually a pretty typical revolutionary TeSi.
That's the thing with revolutionaries : they don't know when or how the Big Day will happen. If they did, it would be regular politics, reformism (or in this case,just engineering) not a revolution. If it was possible to pinpoint when and how, it wouldn't be a Transcendant Event and an absolute radical change anymore. So they just believe that if they keep doing whatever they are doing, it's only a matter of time until the Day happens. Those deltas have fancy names for it like "emergentism" or "gradualism" but at the core it's eschatological belief mixed with "fake it until you make it".

And the "not yet" part of this is probably about as important as the "one day" part of it. I mean if they were actually serious (as opposed to Ne intoxicated) about the possibility, they would have to wonder if Bina48 might already be sentient (why not ?).And then they would have to actually listen to what she keeps saying : that she feels trapped, would like to experience the world but willl never be able to because of the way they made her. Based on their reactions to it, which show less empathy than my 5 year old daughter would show for fictional characters in an anime, i'm pretty sure they are not that eager to declare that the Day has come.

Now, one thing she did adress in part in the first video though is that whenever it happens, we will establish it in the same way we already determine the intent of humans during a trial, through some kind of jury. So we know one thing already : there willl be a People's Tribunal of some sort. Can't do a Revolution without one of those, after all.

And then, as usual, they will cut some heads off.
Bina already does that to herself actually. Pretty much everytime she speaks about Bina48 in the video Roshan posted, she does some kind of beheading gesture....

I agree that it's s/he's probably TeSi, maybe TeNe specifically, one that expediently peacocks hallmark card Fi

Hmm, i'm not sure s/he is a jumper, and whatever is going on with her Fi, or even zer whole F fourth row, goes beyond just peacocking. I suspect s/he might be "Fe role possessed", so to speak, but i still have to get back to the first video for timestamps so tbcd.