John Vervaeke

[Roshan]

He's in many ways another raindrops with his 1200 exemplars or an eric with his 'cognitive type charts for dummies'.

I will have to watch the OP video again to see why Peterson is so enamored with him.

[Roshan]

Energetically, the NeTi he reminds me of most is a sane version of Jocko,, the Si-constipated lunatic. But Vervaeke just seems to have very highly developed Si, like Bret Weinstein. Who nevertheless doesn't come off as warm as Vervaeke, probably because he is very Ti subtype, but who actually comes off more 'ingratiating' imo.

Or maybe just because he is Ti subtype, ykwim Roshan?

[Vincent]

This is the kind of stuff he does.

Part 2 of his series, from 41'51" to 44'26" (and he already mentioned the Axial Age in Part 1).

Western, schmestern, werld, schmerld.

Well, that certainly doesn't sound like high and hot Si indeed.

Btw, he doesn't say anything concrete about what the Axial Age is supposed to be, which is, basically, transcendance from tribalism, with the emergence of universalist religions and philosophies and the formulation of the Golden Rule.

And i suspect this is in part because, as an Fi polr alpha, he is himself "pre-axial" and still tribal in some essential way.

Pretty sure delta Ken Wilber wouldn't have left that out, for (counter)example.

[Roshan]

Well, at first he just appears to be interested in the NEw psychoTEchnology of literacy, which came about when people were scrambling around like the little mammals that were left when the empires fell like the dinosaurs, and doesn't say anything of that sort Vincent.

But by the end of the video he could be heading in that direction and promises to tell us more about the Axial Revolution and meaning and wisdom in Part 3.

[Roshan]

And at this point I believe him to be capable of saying just about anything.

Especially since he's read all those books.

[Roshan]

But seriously, by the end of Video 2 he's talking about how they realized violence was wrong, so thou mayest perchance have jumped the gun, though I doubt he will ever 'collapse' it so eloquently.

In any case all this is making me ponder what goes on with quasis and why, and in the end Vervaeke really did manage to behave like a quasi with JP.

With quasis, one's PolR is the other's inferior, so except in rare cases when the inferior is truly activated, no one steps on anyone's anything. And so they can see-saw.

Peterson may have been soaring into TiNe aura and seeking a mirror on the one hand, but that's just part of the story.

TeNi/NeTi see-saw swashbuckling I suggested before that was a big part of the story.

[Vincent]

But seriously, by the end of Video 2 he's talking about how they realized violence was wrong, so thou mayest perchance have jumped the gun, though I doubt he will ever 'collapse' it so eloquently.

Well, i strongly suspect Karl Jaspers is a delta introvert, possibly his FiNe supervisor actually, so i find it interesting that he had to first make it all about writing (psycho)TEchnologies before he finally came to that part.

Anyway I watched Video 1 last night and his Te is definitely up the wazoo there. For all his talk about spirituality and all the pushing for a civilization changing shifti in paradigm, he is actually a very orthodox proponent of a pretty reductionist model of cognition. All about computation, cyborg and machinery.
And yes, he gets very very close to "let's fix this !".

In any case all this is making me ponder what goes on with quasis and why, and in the end Vervaeke really did manage to behave like a quasi with JP.

With quasis, one's PolR is the other's inferior, so except in rare cases when the inferior is truly activated, no one steps on anyone's anything. And so they can see-saw.

Peterson may have been soaring into TiNe aura and seeking a mirror on the one hand, but that's just part of the story.

TeNi/NeTi see-saw swashbuckling I suggested before that was a big part of the story.

I'm not done rewatching it yet (conked out about half way) but yeah, that definitely sounds right to me.

tbcd.

[Roshan]

For all his talk about spirituality and all the pushing for a civilization changing shifti in paradigm, he is actually a very orthodox proponent of a pretty reductionist model of cognition. All about computation, cyborg and machinery.

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This was not apparent in the OP video?

[Roshan]

THat's what I meant when I said he was too Si to mirror Peterson. I meant too Ne/Si axis, too destined to pick berries in their modern version. Ultimately Se(Ni) seeks unified force, Si(Ne) seeks particularization. Too granular and incrementalist to 'go there' with Peterson. Would not be converted--that is, to anything that isn't ultimately bean countable. In his estimation. according to how he cooks the recipe books.

Anyway their original conversation just popped up on my yt homepage.

[Vincent]

For all his talk about spirituality and all the pushing for a civilization changing shifti in paradigm, he is actually a very orthodox proponent of a pretty reductionist model of cognition. All about computation, cyborg and machinery.

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This was not apparent in the OP video?

Well, sure, they were talking about processes, modules and circuitry already in the OP video, but his Te didn't strike me as strongly and as badly as it did with video 1, where he gets very close to selling neo-shamanic recipes for guaranteed flow experiences.
The impression i got from the OP video the first time i watched it was that he was more of an eclectic and an agnostic ("it depends on your epistemology/ontology") and with all his insistance on embodied cognition, i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, so to speak.
Which certainly has a lot to do with the fact he is my mirage.