Konstantin Kisin (Triggernometry)

[Anthony]

It's like so/sp is creating and carrying the full weight of history, sp/so is inside of it and contributing and aware of this weight, and sp/sx is outside of, behind, and beyond it.

Konstantin is much more like the pteradactyl who has alit upon the so/sp-sp/so buildings, which will crumble as a matter of course.

Yes, exactly.

[Roshan]

Very true! Sp/Sx (and Sx/Sp) very very often have that full-frontal gaze and demeanor. There's very often something vampiric about it, but it's more threatening with Sp/Sx since energetically they aren't showing you their cards. Sx/Sp usually just seems like they're about to 'envelop' you, or breathe down your neck, or like they're attempting to 'enchant' you with their gaze.

Well, they can't envelop you until they suck you in. sx/sp has a kind of vortex energy. The vortex being between you and them. But sp/sx is a vortex unto itself. You are incidental. You can be consumed, ignored, or discarded. It will keep going forward regardless.

By contrast,
Sp/So has a sort of 'farmer's gaze,' squinty, or even slightly broadened eyes, widely and intently observing the land for fertile soil, Sp pools of resources. Energetically they're usually contained, independent, and slightly held back.

It's a mistake to consider sp/so as independent or as primarily concerned with the land. sp/so exists or is instinctively drawn to herds of other people and is communitarian. sp/so is only 'animal' relative to the other stackings in the 'Buddhist realms' of the flojo. And it is a HERD animal. It is in many many ways the most human of the stackings Anthony. It IS 'the human animal', 'the SOCIAL animal'.

Sp/sx is autonomous, sp/so truly is not. It is the interdependent stacking par excellence.sp/so is contained because of the 'sp cover' but it's a discrete entity among other discrete entities instinctively propelled to combine, like individual elements into social compounds.

The So/Sp's...with them, I often feel like they know I'm there even when they aren't looking at me. There's an energetic 'overseeing' quality, with a LOT of peripheral vision. Even energetically, they're either on a stage/soapbox ready to make their voice thunder, even if it's just TS Eliot reciting his poetry.

Yes. Titans. Overlords. In between gods and humans and as such mediators between, carriers of the tablets of The Law.

[Roshan]

First of all they are all human so there is that.

sp/so is the human SOCIAL animal.

sp/sx is the inhuman predatory a- or antisocial animal.

sp/sx is a demon within the human realm.

It's like goldfish v. lobsters. You have 'schools of fish'. And then you have the hard shelled marine scavengers.

[Anthony]

"Vortex" is almost exactly the image I had in my head for Sx/Sp.

[Roshan]

Donald Trump is Donald Trump because he's a triple assertive 8, not because he's sp/so. This overwhelmingly.

sp/so is the most synflow by leaps and bounds. Most communitarian, most interdependent.

The whole point of the development of farming is about domestication and settlement into sedentary communities. It's not ultimately about the land, it's about the collaborative effort needed to cultivate it.

In this sense sp/so segs right into so/sp because this generates hierarchies. This is why there is no absolute line between syn and counterflow, why it's so hard so often to distinguish 'which sx last' eg, and why it's best to think of both a vertical and a horizontal axis, so to say, on the flojo.

[Roshan]

And this is also why it's no coincidence that the person who channeled the flojo theory and wants to believe there is an absolute line and absolute categories (DG) has expedient Ni and Si PolR and ultimately winds up generating a Te 'legalistic' protocol. 'This is how we are in six easy steps'. Except we're not.

[Roshan]

It is interesting to compare the vortex of a social last counterflow of the same tritype family 359 in some order (but her also with hole factor) to that Muse vortex. sx/sp vortex is interdependent. sx/sp doesn't 'exist' withoiut other people. sp/sx is self-enclosed.

[Roshan]

And again, thinking of two axes, there is overlap and it is sometimes very hard to tell sx/sp and sp/sx apart. But that Muse song is extremely 'synflow'--for a vortex!

[Roshan]

More thoughts:

The more I watch, the more certain I am that he isn't counterflow. The only counterflow stacking available to him is so/SP, but...why? He's never coming down on you from on high, he's not resolutely presiding over anything and making edicts and pronouncements (nor solidifying pre-existing ones), and he just doesn't seem stentorian enough for it. I understand that so/SP should have muted Social, but even with them, there's usually a certain fanatical, cold, seething streak due to the → Sp/Sx (as we've seen in Rose McGowan) that Kisin completely lacks, and I don't think health level alone can justify it.

In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if he isn't sp/SO...

Politically, his particular stances and interests (on free speech as a comedian, etc.) seem to ultimately revolve around the question of, "How good of a job is the Social realm doing in supporting 'me, my autonomy & wellbeing?' What about the autonomy & wellbeing of others, people like me?" Again, even when projecting Sp onto Social and considering "the health of the community," as is expected of So/Sp, he doesn't seem to be coming down from on high.

I get the sense with him that, like an Sp/So ‘animal,' he’d just up and leave if the political and economic landscape further deteriorated—precisely because his ‘Sp,' his personal autonomy & wellbeing, is what he’s first and foremost concerned with; Social is playground, and he’d have no compunctions about finding new land…he’d ‘migrate,’ find more fertile soil.
Fwiw, I'm not saying that a highly politically-involved So/Sp wouldn't up and leave if their country deteriorated, but that in doing so, the core dynamic/direction and reasons would probably be different.

None of this makes sx/SP any less of an option; what I wrote ↑just above↑ for Sp/So should still apply to sx/SP→ sp/so. They're "wanderers," after all, and there should be something Sp/So-esque about it. But...is Kisin's Social not too high for that?

tbcd. Upon watching more, I may very well take much of this back in an instant, because that's how this goes

Okay, so here's this idea again of [sp/so] as a stacking being autonomous. It's not. It's interdependent. It's arguably the least autonomous stacking. And if it migrates, it doesn't do it alone.

If so/sp migrates, it leads a migration. When sx/sp wanders, it''s not migrating. It's traveling.

[Roshan]

If it's a Trump or a Bannon (presumed triple or almost triple assertive 8 lead sp/so's) that leads a migration, they're doing so as quasi-so/sp due to factors in their type, not stacking.

Now a withdrawn so/sp is usually going to be leading an intellectual migration of some sort, such as moving into a new scientific or philosophical paradigm.