Konstantin Kisin (Triggernometry)

[Anthony]

Yes, all of that makes sense.

[Roshan]

"I get the sense with him that, like an Sp/So ‘animal,' he’d just up and leave if the political and economic landscape further deteriorated—precisely because his ‘Sp,' his personal autonomy & wellbeing, is what he’s first and foremost concerned with; Social is playground, and he’d have no compunctions about finding new land"

Okay, so now here...

first of all I think there has been confusion about the use of the 'term' animal, that has been cleared up. But tbc, again, the six stackings, which David Gray correlated with the six Buddhist realms at his time of visionary genius, do include both sp/so animals and sp/sx demons. But obviously they're all humans. So we have sp/so, the social animal human, and sp/sx the a- or anti-social human animal (demon). We also saw this issue crop up with David Byrne's 'into the blue'. You correctly saw it as 'animal' but it's the sp/sx variety of animalistic human, replete with mimed 'primate chart' from upright homo sapiens down to fetus. So it is sp/sx that is (perhaps somewhat paradoxically) most autonomous but ALSO most in tune with 'eternity', with the TRANS-human realm.

The most individualistic is also the most TRANS-personal. If that makes sense.

sp/so animal humans never just up and leave a sedentary community because they're attached to the soil. They are 'patriots'. Patria = the nation and the nation has a place of its own. And that place has a center too, a 'heartland'.

So I think you're absolutely right that Kisin would up and leave if his needs weren't being met but that's because he's quite far from sp/so.
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[Anthony]

Yes, I know exactly what you mean. And your last clarification…I feel like should’ve just been obvious to me. When I wrote about up & leaving, I recall thinking about Sp/So’s presence in the flow with So/Sx; I was suggesting something like, if the ‘soil of home’ wasn’t good enough, Sp/So may migrate, and that has to do with its relationship to So/Sx. But what you said makes more sense, a lot more.

[Roshan]

Now this reminded me of the video clip I saw of this song and soundtrack to an Italian tv series that was gifted to me by someone in 1996, so some time before yt. I didn't even have I'net then.

sp/so is 'the peasant' archetypally. So independent of whatever the individual stackings of these peasants are, here comes an actual warrior--which is archetypally sp/sx, or as a general so/sp--to stir up the peasants to fight. He may be sp/SX. And the tells them they were born as men but must die as brigands. He incites them to enter the counterflow, which because it's transhuman, is also death.

And they stand around him in a closed circle, which is 'the community', the 'established order', but HE is revolving around and around himself.

The translation appears above the images inside the vid.

[Roshan]

And,,,

the brigand has that far off gaze that is not dissimilar to Konstantin Kisin's, for all their huge differences.

[Roshan]

So it's certainly not that sp/sx won't fight for the land, it's that when it does it's a zealot and it's very ready to die as an individual warrior that may or may not lead troops.

But sp/so is a member of 'the commune'.

And loosely speaking, the higher the sp on sp/sx, the more likely it is to just leave and fend for itself. Konstantin strikes me as midstream but on the high side sp. I see him far more willing to leave than fight, if he can't fight by having a show like Triggernometry.

[Anthony]

Wow, their gazes are similar, yes, and I very well see what you mean.

[Anthony]

So it's certainly not that sp/sx won't fight for the land, it's that when it does it's a zealot and it's very ready to die as an individual warrior that may or may not lead troops.

But sp/so is a member of 'the commune'.

And loosely speaking, the higher the sp on sp/sx, the more likely it is to just leave and fend for itself. Konstantin strikes me as midstream but on the high side sp. I see him far more willing to leave than fight, if he can't fight by having a show like Triggernometry.

Yes, I agree with you about Konstantin, and I was just gonna ask “So, do you think sp/sx is literally more prepared & willing to die?” but you answered that.

[Roshan]

Well, David Gray was also right that sp/sx is 'friend of death'.

But anthropology is right that the worst thing that can happen to a member of 'the commune' (tribe, clan, etc.) isn't necessarily 'just' death but ostracism--which implies exposure to the elements and to enemies (animal and human) alone.

So depending on range and other components, some sp/sx's are more willing to plunge into death itself ('downward pull' of sp instinct in the counterflow) and others are more willing to defer and opt to ostracize themselves. But from the communal and anthropological pov ostracism is 'a fate worse than death'.

So yes. sp/sx is more willing to plunge into death itself or 'social death', while sp/so soldiers organize for the teamwork of strategic fighting together to survive. OR so that 'the nation' (so/sp) can survive them.

An sp/SX though, is not UNlikely to move into sx/so martyrdom (and as such may even come to symbolize the nation. I can see this happening with the guy on horseback--representing his 'animal nature.'

so/sp stentorian, sp/sx centaurian.

[Roshan]

Because between so/sp and sx/so, sp/sx may be centaurian, and the horse aspect also elevates him.