Kubrick

[Vincent]

(Posts crossed)

I just reread the thread from EF and it's already all there from what I had listened to of him back then: he's not precious, he's pragmatic, grounded and raw. My vehement argument against 5w64w5 and for '5 all the way in 6' for him was also pretty much an argument against the Ji leads. Kubrick was just too too elemental and brass tacks.

Yes he really is.
And it's pretty remarkable that there is nothing in the 1/2 space in that enneagram type.

Also, intertype-wise, it's still very hard for me to see him as being in any equal relationship with me.
Activity partner really didn't feel right. Benefactor seemed... not enough. Supervisor makes a lot more sense imo.

[Vincent]

I watched "The hidden depths of 2001: A Space Odyssey - a film analysis." I agree, it was indeed a fascinating confirmation of T, and imo also a confirmation of strong (even if unvalued) Ti. The extreme attention to detail (wrt say, the chair blouse) and the visionary worldbuilding bespeaks of valued Ni, TiNe shadow (I THINK), and especially that he has all 8 functions developed. His FILMS tend to make Si PoLR seem impossible, but then, I think to myself, "Okay, but he kind of seems 'nothing PoLR.'"

Well, TiNe shadow makes a lot more sense that FeSi shadow for sure.

And i agree it's hard to see him as Si polr, especially with all the details highlighted in those collative learning videos.
But the thing is, they aren't really details, at least not in the way an obsessive Si dom would make them.
Most of them are about symbols, or are "continuity errors" made on purpose. "Errors" that make] it pretty much impossible for us to just SIt or to SItuate anything in his film.
And maybe that's Si polr as power.

[Vincent]

Was looking at the comments on the interview and saw someone made timestamps for it.
At 1h30 and 45 seconds he talks about all the takes he is reputed to make and blame that on the fact actors were "not prepared", didn't bother to learn their lines, had "no grip" on the scene. He says he was not doing many takes when "it was good".He only made them when he had to, and only because as long as actors had to "think about the words" "you can just see the lack of concentration in their eyes".

It really sounds like he was basically just "training" them and putting them back into acting (and working) shape rather than chasing a perfect picture in his mind, which seems T > F and not so Ji after all.

[e-ssam]

Hello, I was going through my notebook and i thought i should add this here.

“Humans are just animals with tech.” isn’t only to be said about 2001. Pretty much every major Kubrick film has it in some way. Dr Strangelove is extremely straightforward - literally world powers are playing with toys. It’s why Jack is crazy from the start of The Shining; why in Eyes Wide Shut the only certainty in their world is “let’s fuck”; and in Barry Lyndon why Barry is ultimately driven by survival. For all its recourse to “naturalism” in cinematography and production, the world deliberately looks lifted from paintings: stiff and rehearsed. The primal instinct is what makes his characters.
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Judging from what i know of his methodology Ne polr & Ti lead made the most sense, I was thinking about SiTe but this does fit more with Te/Fi & gamma values.
and it is very hard to see him and Tarkovsky as the same type (or in the same quadra in general)

[Roshan]

Yes, and it kind of sounds like for him all synopsis would be bad synopsis.
I mean, he doesn't want him and his work to be "pinned down" and that sounds like an issue with Si "entomology" rather than an issue with Ne.

I have done quite a bit more poking around. He really didn't want his work to be pinned down and he went out of his way to make Eyes Wide Shut, beyond multi-layered or ambiguous, irrational to the point where any interpretation you had would collapse if you really watched it carefully with your eyes open--similar to 2001 and The Shining, but he planned making this film for decades and considered it his masterpiece. He was always fucking with people's heads and that was surely part of the Si PolR. He purposely ended Eyes Wide Shut so that it could be interpreted that the daughter might have gotten kidnapped by or even given to the elite cult, but it's very subtle and there's no way to know for sure , so now there is a whole cult of the ending of Eyes Wide Shut..

He also did chess master-like calculations with the budget, supervising the distribution and publicity, to make sure the films would make money at the box office. He was very much like Nassim Taleb in calculating risk and probability.

[e-ssam]

This does bring up issues like how can Kubrick be the same as say Tarkovsky? Talking qualia-wise but not only. (How much do qualia even matter?). It's actually easy to see in a lot of his and Tarkovsky's work. Solaris/2001; Sacrifice. Rublev/Barry Lyndon...but...where's Full Metal Jacket? This is where something like this--which I found checking to see if Auburn typed Kubrick (but how could he have, there is no sustained on camera footage of him, on top of how smack dab middle brow Auburn is)--is interesting.

i dunno, compare this



and this

The lack of nature and the advent of technology is disturbing to Tarkovsky.

Tarkovsky's 'distancing' techniques are more close to "mystifying" than Kubrick and are to bring you back to Nature.
the setting too is always all pervasive (The zone in Stalker/Nostalgia's Author looking for Russia in Italy/Andrei Rublev is the story of Russia's identity) and plays a role as a character in the story.

Almost every Tarkovsky film is in one way both autobiographical and grand, and the character has to make a leap of faith, a sacrifice, to redeem themselves and other people.

Kubrick doesn't have any of that

[Roshan]

I am sticking this long essay here to refer to soon, not suggesting others read it without me as your servant and guide. It's very long and apparently written by another SiFe (possibly SiTi), and it looks like Kubrick blew this youthling's Ti/Ne gaskets. But there is plenty of stuff in it that is valuable to the analysis of Kubrick per se and stuff valuable in and of itself to see what happens when the contrary of a PolR as superpower flies to it like a moth to a shining day-glo flame.

tbcd

[e-ssam]

I am sticking this long essay here to refer to soon, not suggesting others read it without me as your servant and guide. It's very long and apparently written by another SiFe (possibly SiTi), and it looks like Kubrick blew this youthling's Ti/Ne gaskets. But there is plenty of stuff in it that is valuable to the analysis of Kubrick per se and stuff valuable in and of itself to see what happens when the contrary of a PolR as superpower flies to it like a moth to a shining day-glo flame.

tbcd

I like how he said "hidden in plain sight" is a synonym for "Eyes Wide Shut" since that's the complete opposite of what i was thinking.


(btw the name of my youtube channel, to which i only uploaded two videos in '19 & '20 is "Wide Up Close" )

[e-ssam]

Reason I was thinking SiTe is some similarities to Lynch but I'm not sure if it's coming from the same place or anywhere close at all.
Both "photograph the photograph", have a similar thing going on with people as marionettes and plastic, and both set up the eeriness of atmosphere through that.
And I just found out that Kubrick considered Eraserhead to be his favorite film, and that he screened it before shooting the Shining

But, Lynch literally grew his grandmother.

And Kubrick does treat everything as primal instinct.

which, actually, makes perfect sense to me why Kubrick would find Eraserhead fascinating (and probably not only Eraserhead, also most other "freakish Si" films)

[e-ssam]

long one though, this is a 5 minute montage of some of what Scorsese says in the interview


The interview also mentions Kubrick giving AI to Spielberg, and the ending is really unlike anything you'd expect from him. Very sentimental and Spielberg-ish but no, it was Kubrick.

Interview on the Shining and includes his original treatment of the script
the site also has other articles, including this interview on Barry Lyndon, search "Kubrick".