Terra Incognita

Roshan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:00 pm I assumed him to be 7 fixed and NeFi (your beneficiary). and I'm also not so sure of the stacking or that the 4 is second, though it's plausible. Don't forget there's nothing more Fourish than sx 9. (And I have to say The Dance of Reality seemed pretty Ti polr.) Of course I'll look into it--I've only seen that one and a bunch of excerpts from The Holy Mountain. I'll watch the others if I can. But why didn't you include a younger interview and photos, Anthony? (Shouldn't type from very mature interviews only unless there are no younger materials available).

Let's recall when I wrote Transits of Uranus I was in shadow and inspired by an NeFi. He's still 'a speedboat run amok in a dream'. Let's also not forget Transits ends with me trying to STOP the endless circle but 'the Dutchess' resumes the twirling.

Roshan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:52 pm Well, there's also this. Did you search 'Jodorowky young'?

He's very Sevenny here. As well as acting in that film. And what a film...got me thinking about the relationship between 7 headless head (chicken with head cut off) and 5 dismembered body parts on the 5/7 line.

Anthony wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:51 pm Yes, I agree The Dance of Reality does seem Ti PoLR, and so does his desire to dissolve "all categories and systems of ideas"—Ti valuers cognitively depend on categories and systems, even when they claim not to in their identity politics. I thought he had to be SOME kind of Se valuer since he seems SO much about making a HUGE and POWERFUL impact, like he wants his films to forcefully HIT.

Well, Se role...

But I agree, he should be NeFi; 'endless poetry' IS very similar to 'consume beauty' in the sort of...superficiality of it, as though the two words just sounded okay when adjacent, so he 'grazingly' put them together.

I see it more as Ne flag-planting. I'm Jodorowsky and endless poetry is the North Pole and I was here first. I think he thought it sounded very deep and that he was enlightening us with the authority of this majestic title.

Let's recall when I wrote Transits of Uranus I was in shadow and inspired by an NeFi. He's still 'a speedboat run amok in a dream'. Let's also not forget Transits ends with me trying to STOP the endless circle but 'the Dutchess' resumes the twirling.

I agree with 7 > 6. You're absolutely right. After everything I said about his characters, they're still ALL circus freaks—magically twirling about in one very large circus, endlessly.

With very little interiority. Four is last and not social, the 'most sensitive Four'. Yes, as a 9 he's prone to cartooning but social Four second would mitigate this more.

Jodorowsky absolutely WOULDN'T have tried to stop that endless cycle. I think part of what inspired me to think 6w7(7w8) and sp/sx<--SX/so, actually, were some of the parallels I saw between your THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE PUMPKIN'S DANCE and Transits of Uranus—not only because of the twirling planetary rings and ongoing rainbow carnival,

Right, but they're both about Matthew and I'm totally miraged with him.

but as you had written on EF, the "transcendence through embrace with and embodiment of the infected."

Fair point. I'm fine with considering the fireside. Or else something else to account for how drawn he is to the grotesque. My big beef was he's 7-heavy.

It also occurred to me that his philosophy seemed childish for someone of his age; I think I attributed that, actually a LOT of what's here, to what I thought was very high Sx 9 ('dissolution of systems' to get to 'cosmic union,' etc.).

Hmmm...maaybe that and 7/Ne. It's just that sx is in its own way very focused whereas he is a carnival, so especially having 4, the social should be higher. And that's how his presence in the headless film seems to me too. So what accounts for this penchant for the gruesomeness and decay?

Roshan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:16 am

Anthony wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:51 pm I agree with 7 > 6. You're absolutely right. After everything I said about his characters, they're still ALL circus freaks—magically twirling about in one very large circus, endlessly.

With very little interiority. Four is last and not social, the 'most sensitive Four'. Yes, as a 9 he's prone to cartooning but social Four second would mitigate this more.

Very true. And yes, I did attribute the lack of interiority to 9 'cartooning.'

Jodorowsky absolutely WOULDN'T have tried to stop that endless cycle. I think part of what inspired me to think 6w7(7w8) and sp/sx<--SX/so, actually, were some of the parallels I saw between your THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE PUMPKIN'S DANCE and Transits of Uranus—not only because of the twirling planetary rings and ongoing rainbow carnival,

Right, but they're both about Matthew and I'm totally miraged with him.

Yes. Very true. You were the one who tried to stop the endless circle in the first place...and Matthew is an NeFi Sx/So 7.

but as you had written on EF, the "transcendence through embrace with and embodiment of the infected."

Fair point. I'm fine with considering the fireside. Or else something else to account for how drawn he is to the grotesque. My big beef was he's 7-heavy.

It also occurred to me that his philosophy seemed childish for someone of his age; I think I attributed that, actually a LOT of what's here, to what I thought was very high Sx 9 ('dissolution of systems' to get to 'cosmic union,' etc.).

Hmmm...maaybe that and 7/Ne. It's just that sx is in its own way very focused whereas he is a carnival, so especially having 4, the social should be higher. And that's how his presence in the headless film seems to me too. So what accounts for this penchant for the gruesomeness and decay?

Well, I haven't seen any other films yet; they might be less gruesome. His childhood in Chile was extremely difficult, so he may have included the gruesomeness and decay because that's what actually went on. It could also be part of an Ne-ish, Sx 9ish desire to depict the unity of everything, indiscriminately.