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Edit: Proposed typing sp/so 1w9(2w1)-5w6(6w7)-2w1(3w2)

What is Mary Harrington's complete type? Choose four answers (lead type, trifix, stacking and ct). Use this video and the link under it and any others you want but don't discuss until after voting ends at noon NYC time, Saturday May 7 (NOT this coming Saturday).



See also this thread.

It may have been a mistake for me to use this video instead of the one where I first saw her. I got carried away when I stumbled upon a second video of her and Boyce and wanted to post it, in part for contrast to the one linked in the OP because in the new one they really act like duals. I said you could look at other videos so I'd be able to vote too but I probably should have just used the Rebel Wisdom one instead. So have a look at it and see if you make any changes in your votes.

I had a strong impression that she was 5w6 fixed, though I can see why Anthony went for 925 instead of 125 within that configuration, but again, don't forget she and Boyce are duals. I figured there'd probably be a split between sp/so and so/sp, and between 1w9 and 1w2, but I really didn't expect so many 6 heads. Not that that's necessarily wrong but what I mostly expected us to be litigating here was whether she was 125 or 135.

Let's say post an opinion by Monday noon, NYC time. Vincent, the clock on the forum hasn't corrected itself since Daylight Savings Time, at least not for me. It's still an hour behind.

Roshan wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 12:53 pm I had a strong impression that she was 5w6 fixed, though I can see why Anthony went for 925 instead of 125 within that configuration, but again, don't forget she and Boyce are duals. What I really expected us to be litigating here was whether she was 125 or 135. I figured there'd be some split between sp/so and so/sp, and between 1w9 and 1w2, but I didn't really expect so many 6 heads.

I had a really hard time deciding whether she was 9w1 or 1w9 leading.
My first impression was 125 or 135, but I didn't think the heart fix could be on the 2/3 line, and 2w1 'competent offering' seemed more likely than an actual 3w4 fix. The idea that she has an Sx 2 'aggression and seduction' in the back pocket further solidified this for me. She seemed clearly 5w6 fixed to me, though I can understand why others voted 6.

Anthony, I suspect it's her duality with Boyce that's making people look for more attachment and/or more reactivity and that watching the linked Rebel Wisdom video will lead to more consensus. I too wound up considering 9 lead watching the second Boyce video, but I had had the benefit of seeing the Rebel Wisdom one before.

My typing is sp/so 1w2-5w6-2w1; I originally leaned toward 1w9 and wasn't sure which sx last stacking it was. Now I feel quite sure about sp/so and IF people see the 5 clearly in the Rebel Wisdom video, that might explain the so/sp's, because One and 5 all the way in 6 have a LOT in common with so/sp. I'm still not sure if it's 1w2 or 1w9 though. With just the Rebel Wisdom video, I thought more 1w9 so...

As for -Sarah-'s 4 heart, she has a LOT of 1 and One moves to 4 (and so does Two), and she's healthy enough to integrate high 4 on her 1 fix.

Roshan wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 12:53 pm Vincent, the clock on the forum hasn't corrected itself since Daylight Savings Time, at least not for me. It's still an hour behind.

I just checked this as a guest, and it does say "all times are UTC+4:00", which should be right Roshan
So my guess is that the selected time in your User Control Panel (under the Board preferences tab) overrides the default setting of the board.

About Mary, i felt pretty confident about sp/so and 1w2, but i hesitated a LOT between 5 and 6 for the head and between 3 and 2 for the heart, and i still didn't feel confident about my choices when i voted.

I'll watch the Rebel Wisdom soon.
tbcd.

This one popped on my youtube suggestion list.
Will watch it before the deadline too.

Yes, I've seen it, Vincent, but I forgot about it and I'll rewatch it. I just rewatched the Rebel Wisdom one and it draws me back to 1w9 > 1w2, but I'm also starting to suspect she may be wearing that scarf because she has a cold, giving the impression she is more aloof than she usually is (1w9 being more aloof than 1w2). So the Trig vid should help.

Bearing in mind the ct's of the people involved: In the Rebel Wisdom video, David Fuller is TiSe almost incontrovertibly (and we have a thread on him on EF but atm it's not accessible so tbc), so he and Mary should be quasi-identicals, contributing to Mary Harrington having a very 'neutral and reasonable' presentation. I suspect Paul Kingnorth will turn out to be NiTe, which will make him Mary's business partner, with similar effect.

With Triggernometry, she'll be Francis's kindred, which should make her very comfortable, and Konstantin's beneficiary, getting Ne from him, which should lighten her up. But it shouldn't be the same as what you see with Boyce: with him there is alternately a resistance, a battle of the wills, and then a complete release, letting hair down with belly laughs and all. The duality is both complementary and combustible, again, amping up the impression of both attachment and reactivity.

So Triggernometry should be more like a middle ground, where she'll let her hair down but there won't be the same electricity as with a dual (especially because the kindreds are fairly healthy Si, which is pretty subdued). I should add here that when it comes to the difference between 1w9 and 1w2, while 1w9 IS more attached technically, with 1w2 being neither attached nor reactive, I think I MAY have been mistaking 1w9 for 1w2 when she's with Boyce due to the intrusive, power-seeking nature of 2 compliancy. But I'm not sure and re-watching Triggernometry should help.

ps I fixed the time settings in the control panel.

So I guess the theme of this thread is turning out to be how ct intertype relationships can affect typing for E?

I'm a few minutes into the Triggernometry video. Konstantin and Francis are both probably 9w1(1w2) leading, and the energetic difference between them and Mary is pretty obvious. They're softer, less aloof, and less rigid. My current full tentative typing for Mary is sp/so 1w9(2w1)-5w6(6w7)-2w1(3w2), SiTe. I also feel quite sure about the stacking, but honestly, I can't say I'm quite yet seeing where you're seeing 1w2, Roshan. 1w2 with the rest of the configuration seems like too little 9 to account for the sort of SiTe-ish blasé, unimpressed quality she has (which may be coming from 1-->7, the aloofness between humor and morbidity at 7 and 4), but I'm really not sure yet...she may very well be 1w2. I'm going to stop and watch the Rebel Wisdom video first instead.

Anthony wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 3:49 pm I can't say I'm quite yet seeing where you're seeing 1w2, Roshan.

I'm not sure if you read everything I just posted yet, but there are three other people who chose 1w2 and it's in the enmeshed combustibility of her dynamics with Boyce. It's relational.

I haven't rewatched the Triggernometry video yet to confirm but I already agreed that just from the Rebel Wisdom one, my original 1w9 was not unlikely right.