Terra Incognita

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Hamilton Morris, journalist, documentarian—creator and director of Hamilton's Pharmacopeia, and chemist.

I don't remember how I came across him—it was years ago, but he seems to be another prominent figure in the alpha quadra collective movement to speak uninhibitedly about and open all minds to psychedelia.

From what I can tell, he's actively introducing people to the riches of Ne, in psychedelia, as a tool to both personally discover Si through the chemistry, history, and tradition of their usage and subsequently offering that knowledge to engender within the Fe collective swim a more reasonable attitude (as Ti frame) towards psychedelics.

But...I'm really not sure. There seems to be a marked lack of anything close to Ni 6th 'doom and gloom,' not really even energetically, and sometimes, when watching his stuff, I find myself wondering "...why really are you doing this? Are you sure you're not just 'playing' (in a way not totally dissimilarly to Martin/e)?", and I don't think it's because he's all that healthy.

To contrast with the above, where the Ni 6th 'doom and gloom' does seem obvious—

Robert Crumb, legendary cartoonist of the underground comix movement with a focus on the counterculture of the 1960s.

I discovered him not through Jordan Peterson, actually, but through falling down a shallow google link rabbit hole (I don't remember about what exactly) during downtime in one of my high school classes in early 2017, iirc. The video below is the first I watched, and at the time, I related to him immediately; his Ni 6th and Se PoLR were probably precisely what I was relating to and probably not much else, having just been surprised to encounter someone else 'like that.'

Despite the 'obviousness' I'm pointing out, I always assumed without looking very deeply that he was SiFe, but Roshan and Vincent pointed out otherwise, and I'm inclined to agree.

So you think this guy Hamilton might be delta TeSi because he's in some way not dissimilar to Martin/e Rothblatt in lacking: doom and gloom, Anthony?

Roshan No, I don't think he is. After sleeping on it (literally), I don't think the comparison with Martin/e was apt at all—only to the extent that there's a part of him that just seems enthralled by the big wide world of drugs, Ne of psychedelia, and doesn't go far beyond that, beyond just 'cool exploration,' but I'm not even sure I'm right about that either. I mostly just meant to indicate a point of hesitancy for me, that I'm struggling to identify his Ni 6th demonstration; I'm going to look again with fresher eyes, though.

Anthony wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:00 am I'm going to look again with fresher eyes, though.

Well, then I'll wait to see what you come up with first, Anthony.

Anthony wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:03 am I always assumed without looking very deeply that he was SiFe

But you and I did look at Robert Crumb deeply. We looked at him at great length Enneagram-wise, Anthony.

Roshan wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:59 am

Anthony wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:03 am I always assumed without looking very deeply that he was SiFe

But you and I did look at Robert Crumb deeply. We looked at him at great length Enneagram-wise, Anthony.

I know. We never looked at him ct-wise, though, and I hadn't thought very deeply about his ct specifically.

Well, you are going to have to look long and hard like Diogenes with his lamp to find a Five, and such a disembodied one at that, who's SiFe.

Roshan wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:23 pm Well, you are going to have to look long and hard like Diogenes with his lamp to find a Five, and such a disembodied one at that, who's SiFe.

I understand you're saying that he's way too disembodied for SiFe and that SiFe Fives aren't at all common, but I'd still have to look long and hard to see him as potentially SiFe (or even SiTi) 5w6 even with his only musical interests (as far as I'm aware) being blues, bluegrass, and jazz music from the 20s and his banjo-playing "Cheap Suit Serenaders" band, his distaste for and inability to at all adapt to the zeitgeist (albeit 5ishly) and reversion to 'old ways of living,' his extraordinarily methodically detailed and often caricatural drawings that observerishly intend to simply capture the contents of his environment and mind, his hyperfocus on very specific kinds of women, lusting after and meticulously 'capturing' them in his drawings with a strange obsession with their body parts, and his still being a clear alpha introvert?