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TiSe identicals David Fuller and Freddie Sayers hash out their mirage JP

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:29 am
by Roshan
Only watched beginning so far but should be interesting because Sayers is Se creative while Fuller is perhaps a bit of a jumper, but with a good deal of found Fe so neither one suffers OBVIOUSLY from Ne PolR...and yet it's still in there. Also Fuller was JP's ur-fanboy. I wonder if Sayers (RW is one of my favoritest channels) will point toward the personal element in Fuller's chagrin about JP, and also how 'alphaized' Fuller's become, hence pretty anti any action that doesn't 'kumbaya'.


Re: TiSe identicals David Fuller and Freddie Sayers hash out their mirage JP

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:44 am
by Roshan
Yup. Maybe he IS more useful being combative on one side, what's wrong with that?

Re: TiSe identicals David Fuller and Freddie Sayers hash out their mirage JP

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:49 am
by Roshan
But so far twenty minutes in still no mention of how Peterson's brush with death must have reminded him how little time we really do have, and also of what is specifically going on with JP's identical Ben Shapiro's empire-building backing him. So a fail both with the 'F' and with Te,--the deepest feelings and the clearest pragmatics-- not surprising for two Te ignoring Fe inferiors.

Re: Robin 3 things

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:01 am
by Roshan
c. 30"

Speaking more generally (after touching on Brett Weinstein and his covid perspective): maybe it's more realistic, more human and more honest for alternative media figures to just give their own pov as long as they're transparent about it.

Freddie's Se makes him a realist; as such his 'T' is less heady and removed than Fuller's. He understands that 'sensemaking' (RW mission) isn't just, or even PRIMARILY, about Ti.

Re: Robin 3 things

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:07 am
by Roshan
ca. 32" Fuller shows just how much of a nervous Nellie he is. He is really afraid of chaos and thinks it can only be overcome by collective sensemaking.

Unsurprising as his E-configuration makes him the closest thing to a Six except for a Six. 5 all the way in 6, 3 and 9 move to 6, so/sp a social Sixish (though the Oneish) stacking.

Re: Robin 3 things

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:19 am
by Roshan
Okay, sure, fair enough. Fuller's no slouch. The technology has in a way changed the law of gravity.

But does he really think Peterson mouthing off about Elleniot Page makes things worse?

Some gonna analyze, some gonna pray, some gonna fight. Many gonna switch which one they do.

The issue here is still his Ne PolR imo. The way is sensemaking and we should all always follow the way.

Re: TiSe identicals David Fuller and Freddie Sayers hash out their mirage JP

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:26 am
by Roshan
Freddie gives the ur-beta ST rebuttal.

Post-enlightenment warring teams are more normal and human. Look at the Iliad.

Fuller responds with hyper-Ti'ing to not have to 'get it'.

Re: TiSe identicals David Fuller and Freddie Sayers hash out their mirage JP

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:29 am
by Roshan
Fuller hems and haws. He can't say he wants the Enlightenment rational order to remain, because of the mind/body split, but he's so mind/body split he's absolutely terrified of anything that be around the corner in Fe Land that isn't ultimately. if not rational, at least rationizable (by him). But he can't admit he's just scared of the new so he says how exciting it all is through the lumps in his throat.

Hilarious and fascinating so close so far identicals dynamics. This is so much better than just listening to them nickel and diming Peterson to death.

Let's talk turkey. Just how much fun do you think civilizational collapse can be?

(Also sprach Roshanak, ca. 43' :) ).

Re: TiSe identicals David Fuller and Freddie Sayers hash out their mirage JP

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:35 am
by Roshan
John Vervaeke, with whom I'm making a documentary at the moment...

who (as you know if you're worth your salt) focuses on the nature of self-deception...

Re: TiSe identicals David Fuller and Freddie Sayers hash out their mirage JP

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:46 am
by Roshan
Fuller: we at RW are all about embodiment practices.

Freddie: what practices.

Fuller: bla bla bla (leaves out drugs).

Freddie: And prayer.

Fuller: Interesting. I never thought of that psychotechnology.

Freddie: David Fuller, thank you. Jordan, you're invited too.