So I went for an evening at the library, very genteel, to find out about water.. I didn't realize that Lucy Sante was Luc Sante, the author of one of the most important books in my circle of low lives back in the heyday. I didn't read it, but Lucky Lucy started off by reading an excerpt from the new book. It is uncommonly good prose and Fi and Si really seemed to be highly valued but things are not always as they seem. I have a lot more to say but for now:
Type?
Lucky Lucy
Lucky Lucy
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Re: Lucky Lucy
hmmm...the fake Lucky seems a lot easier to type than the real one that was born whole like a sexagenarian* Boticcelli's Venus from the clam shell of a gender-altering photo app during lockdown.
But whatever. Your thoughts first?
*No pun intended Vincent I love Norns.
But whatever. Your thoughts first?
*No pun intended Vincent I love Norns.
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Re: Lucky Lucy
Okay, here's one where the fake Lucky is reading. At the Strand Book Store, not far from me.
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Re: Lucky Lucy
Well, so far i watched the first two videos. My first impression watching the first one was something like "sounds like alpha but seems too "civilized" to be alpha" and i was starting to suspect he might be a delta extravert, and thinking this gender-swapping rebirth might have been an(other) example of delta extravert tendency to change sides on a whim.
After watching the second one, i'm pretty sure delta will turn out to be right, but not so sure about the extraversion.
Will watch the third one soon
tbcd.
Re: Lucky Lucy
I find this part of Lucky's wiki article potentially significant for type:
She attended school in New York City, first at Regis High School in Manhattan and later at Columbia University from 1972 to 1976;[2] due to several incompletes and outstanding library fines, she did not take a degree. Since 1984 she has been a full-time writer. Sante worked in the mailroom and then as assistant to editor Barbara Epstein at The New York Review of Books. She became a regular contributor there, writing about film, art, photography, and miscellaneous cultural phenomena, as well as book reviews.
So 'she' was too dysfunctional to finish a few incompletes and pay some fines to get a degree, but functional enough to work 'her' way into becoming a famous literary figure by finagling a job in the mailroom of the most prestigious literary periodical in the country and (I assume) schmoozing adeptly while delivering the mail.
Someone who seems to have refused to follow the simple, clear cut rules for success in 'The Cathedral' while getting a thrill out of 'beating the system' by circumventing the ordinary channels. Let's bear in mind that Lucky Lucy wound up teaching at Columbia School of the Arts on the basis of 'her' literary renown ...ostensibly without ever completing the degree. I should fact check that but you get the picture.
I mean, she was working in a mailroom and then writing all those articles that required research but couldn't finish a few incompletes? Because 'she' was too dysfunctional? Or wouldn't, because 'she' was too rebellious? The New York Review of Books is and was every single bit of an institution as Columbia. It was hardly a hotbed of anarchist ferment, then or now.
She attended school in New York City, first at Regis High School in Manhattan and later at Columbia University from 1972 to 1976;[2] due to several incompletes and outstanding library fines, she did not take a degree. Since 1984 she has been a full-time writer. Sante worked in the mailroom and then as assistant to editor Barbara Epstein at The New York Review of Books. She became a regular contributor there, writing about film, art, photography, and miscellaneous cultural phenomena, as well as book reviews.
So 'she' was too dysfunctional to finish a few incompletes and pay some fines to get a degree, but functional enough to work 'her' way into becoming a famous literary figure by finagling a job in the mailroom of the most prestigious literary periodical in the country and (I assume) schmoozing adeptly while delivering the mail.
Someone who seems to have refused to follow the simple, clear cut rules for success in 'The Cathedral' while getting a thrill out of 'beating the system' by circumventing the ordinary channels. Let's bear in mind that Lucky Lucy wound up teaching at Columbia School of the Arts on the basis of 'her' literary renown ...ostensibly without ever completing the degree. I should fact check that but you get the picture.
I mean, she was working in a mailroom and then writing all those articles that required research but couldn't finish a few incompletes? Because 'she' was too dysfunctional? Or wouldn't, because 'she' was too rebellious? The New York Review of Books is and was every single bit of an institution as Columbia. It was hardly a hotbed of anarchist ferment, then or now.
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Re: Lucky Lucy
I just found this article on and print interview with him. It notes in the opening that he hung out in all the right places.
https://pleasekillme.com/luc-sante/
https://pleasekillme.com/luc-sante/
Re: Lucky Lucy
Had you by any chance read his wiki article yet, Vincenzo?
She announced on September 20, 2021, that she was transitioning to female. She wrote on her Instagram account: "Yes, this is me, and yes, I am transitioning–I have joined the other team. Yes, I've known since at least age 11 but probably earlier and yes, I suppressed and denied it for decades.... I started...hormone replacement therapy in early May....You can call me Lucy (but I won't freak out if you misgender me) and my pronoun, thankyouverymuch, is she."[1] In February 2022 she wrote en essay in the magazine Vanity Fair explaining her transition at almost 70 years old.
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Re: Lucky Lucy
No i hadn't Roshan. I had just watched the first two videos and looked at google image.
But this way to put to put IT Vincent include with expressions... join the other team...this is exactly the impression i got. And i really think it's characteristical Vincent wrong form of adjective of delta extraverts... players and gamers... especially Ti polr ones.
I will watch the third video tonight, but at this point i would be surprised if s/he ends up being something else.
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Re: Lucky Lucy
Wow, that's incredible 'she' said the same thing you did about the transition Vincent!
So as NeFi, this will be a humungous case of NiFe shadowing!
But it could explain why the fake Lucky looks SiFe to me (shadowing into a sort of Te PolR existential stance) while the real one looks Nx and Te/Fi axis in person onstage. And why the writing seems so Fi heavy while the actions seem so Fi expedient. It could also explain the Si heaviness of the writing to the point of near monotony albeit always, almost relentlessly, lyrical as being the delta version of Si constipation of Ne. This also would have to do with why the appearance of Si dominant when we assumed Luc was a man. After all, Auburn thinks Eric is Si dominant, iirc.
God, he's weird though.
We shell sea!
So as NeFi, this will be a humungous case of NiFe shadowing!
But it could explain why the fake Lucky looks SiFe to me (shadowing into a sort of Te PolR existential stance) while the real one looks Nx and Te/Fi axis in person onstage. And why the writing seems so Fi heavy while the actions seem so Fi expedient. It could also explain the Si heaviness of the writing to the point of near monotony albeit always, almost relentlessly, lyrical as being the delta version of Si constipation of Ne. This also would have to do with why the appearance of Si dominant when we assumed Luc was a man. After all, Auburn thinks Eric is Si dominant, iirc.
God, he's weird though.
We shell sea!
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