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Shapiro and Kasparian Te kindred
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:50 pm
by Roshan
Re: Shapiro and Kasparian Te kindred
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:42 am
by Roshan
I saw ENFJ is a popular typing for Ana Kasparian on the net and that's how Auburn types her too. I do see she's very similar to Shapiro in significant ways but I thought it was the outer axis and
Vincent and I have her as TeSi, but what do other people think about this?
She seems to me lacking in emotional permeability and she and Ben sure do go at each other about mortality statistics of the Finns like cantankerous flies to honey. Moreover I can't see her as my supervisor in a million years but supervisee, easily. Besides which, to my understanding she's a delta TEchnocratic TEacher. But hey, I want a reality check.
Re: Shapiro and Kasparian Te kindred
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 3:28 pm
by Vincent
I watched about 25 minutes of this video and so far i can't say i see where people are getting Fe frame from for her.
Delta TEchnocratic TEacher still sounds right to me.
Actually she doesn't even seem to be a particularly soft or ambiguous one to me.
Nor does she feel like a possible mirror either.
Anyway, will watch the rest of the debate soon.
tbcd.
Re: Shapiro and Kasparian Te kindred
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:40 pm
by Roshan
Well, what I'm getting at is more like I think we're right but I'm also seeing a pattern that the most consistent difference we have with typings out there has to do with Fe v. Te. So if anyone thinks they might have typed Ana as Fe lead, or still type her as, or even that they understand why other people would do that--beyond Fe influences the public and Te makes money kind of cliches--I would really like to know.
On top of all that, I think we're likely to have consensus that Ana is Si/Ne axis but as above, if anyone can see an actual reason why she might be seen as Ni/Se inner axis > Si/Ne, I'd also like to know.
Re: Shapiro and Kasparian Te kindred
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:53 am
by -Sarah-
I’ve watched TYT over the years and I do agree that Ana is TeSi: she’s all about facts, empiricism, and protocol. This debate shows clear and straightforward difference between delta and gamma. Look how they conceptualize freedom: Ana’s conception of freedom is our ability to fulfil our potential via a system that takes care of our basic human needs in way that facilitates and promotes our higher humanistic needs and strivings. Compare this to Ben’s conception where we should be free to exercise our will through competitive self-interest; it is only through our resolve and through competition with others that we can reach our true potential. The idealistic technocratic delta vs the pragmatic meritocratic gamma. Delta wants to raise the collective moral and humanistic standards of humanity, and in a way, so does gamma in a way, but in order to really do that, one needs to embody a personal and individualistic standard and that can frequently entail being separate and working against the rest of the fray. I think for delta, in order to fully reach our individual potential, the collective needs to progress while for gamma, in order for the collective to progress, we must reach our individual potential regardless of what’s presented to us, and the more challenging, the more we must strive. Correct me if I am wrong.
As for Te vs Fe for Ana, in Auburn’s CT the Fe/Ti axis is associated with universal humanism and is correlated with left-wing ideologies while high Te is correlated with conservatism. I think universalism in general is related to the Ne/Si axis, and both delta and alpha embody it in their own ways. So in that circle, that’s probably why they would say Fe for Ana. As for people outside that milieu, the reasoning might be similar but apart from that I have no idea.
Re: Shapiro and Kasparian Te kindred
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:45 pm
by Roshan
-Sarah- wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:53 am
I think for delta, in order to fully reach our individual potential, the collective needs to progress while for gamma, in order for the collective to progress, we must reach our individual potential regardless of what’s presented to us, and the more challenging, the more we must strive. Correct me if I am wrong.
You are right. For gamma, individual potential must be reached for the collective to progress; for delta, individual potential cannot be reached unless the collective progresses. With decadent delta, alpha involution, the baby gets thrown out with the bath water and the whole issue of individual potential starts to be lost.
As for Te vs Fe for Ana, in Auburn’s CT the Fe/Ti axis is associated with universal humanism and is correlated with left-wing ideologies while high Te is correlated with conservatism. I think universalism in general is related to the Ne/Si axis, and both delta and alpha embody it in their own ways. So in that circle, that’s probably why they would say Fe for Ana. As for people outside that milieu, the reasoning might be similar but apart from that I have no idea.
Well, what does he mean by universal humanism? Is that the term he actually uses? I suppose it's true that the Ne/Si axis is universalist; however the NeSi axis is predicated upon the concept that true NovElty is even possible, thus true difference is, and also that things are distinguishable and categorizable. So again, they are different, discrete. Meanwhile it seems that concepts like "There is nothing new under the sun" are Ni/Se. So which one is really more universal? Politically yes, delta is universalist, but ultimately not so much.
Be that as it may, it's always seemed to me that Auburn is claiming he's typing from physical 'qualia' but really he cooks the books. So Ana is going to "be Fe" (which btw she is ANYWAY because she's Fe ROLE) because she's a "universal humanist" on the left, so she's FeNi, just like Cenk her boss (who is so energetically similar 
), and then we all have to understand how we missed the angle of the eyebrow fold because one of them is 1--1 and the other is 11--, etc. And that's what I'm getting corroboration of here.
Re: Shapiro and Kasparian Te kindred
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:46 am
by -Sarah-
Roshan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:45 pm
-Sarah- wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:53 am
As for Te vs Fe for Ana, in Auburn’s CT the Fe/Ti axis is associated with universal humanism and is correlated with left-wing ideologies while high Te is correlated with conservatism. I think universalism in general is related to the Ne/Si axis, and both delta and alpha embody it in their own ways. So in that circle, that’s probably why they would say Fe for Ana. As for people outside that milieu, the reasoning might be similar but apart from that I have no idea.
Well, what does he mean by universal humanism? Is that the term he actually uses? I suppose it's true that the Ne/Si axis is universalist; however the NeSi axis is predicated upon the concept that true NovElty is even possible, thus true difference is, and also that things are distinguishable and categorizable. So again, they are different, discrete. Meanwhile it seems that concepts like "There is nothing new under the sun" are Ni/Se. So which one is really more universal? Politically yes, delta is universalist, but ultimately not so much.
He doesn't use the term, it's what I use, and in this context Fe in particular would be associated/correlated with (and how Auburn would correlate it) the desire for equality, advocacy for human rights, pro-socialism, anti-capitalism, and a desire for a more humane system in place. And good point about the Ne/Si categorization and Ni/Se holism.
Be that as it may, it's always seemed to me that Auburn is claiming he's typing from physical 'qualia' but really he cooks the books. So Ana is going to "be Fe" (which btw she is ANYWAY because she's Fe ROLE) because she's a "universal humanist" on the left, so she's FeNi, just like Cenk her boss (who is so energetically similar ), and then we all have to understand how we missed the angle of the eyebrow fold because one of them is 1--1 and the other is 11--, etc. And that's what I'm getting corroboration of here.
But Roshan...the angle of the eyebrow fold is the defining and most important factor. It all hinges on the eyebrow fold!! 
There's a lot to unpack with his system for sure, and I mean uncovering its holes (and no, not the size of one's noseholes 
)