Terra Incognita

I avoided even peeking at Twitch for as long as possible because the idea of 'creators' schmoozing with their chat all day made me ill, but finally I succumbed to curiosity over how Hasan Piker, Cenk Uyghur's nephew and Twitch Socialist celebrity extraordinaire, responded to Ben Shapiro's video about him. Let it be known that Ben was pretending he didn't know who Hasan was while believing Hasan grifts off of doing negative reaction videos to his pearls of wisdom, that Hasan had been under fire about buying a $2.7 million house for weeks, and that where it all starts, around 4:17' (yes, that's hours and minutes), Hasan has been streaming an outstanding interview of a Zapatista while shoveling food in his face with steroidally ostentatious piggishness. Also that what follows his response to Ben is a must-see too; all together there never will be a better document of how the two social media waves of the Bernie movement and the IDW converged in an estuary dump of noise. Hassan is almost certainly an ESTJ pretending to be an ESTP (Fi inferior with Ni PolR pretending to be Fi PolR and Se dom), so he and Ben are kindred and in the end they both come out exactly where they should in this dispute: sea level. But as a document this is unparalleled. Spectacular. Should be put in a time capsule for posterity except it's just pixels, it doesn't exist.

My first and maybe last twitch link

This image search of Hasan Piker really showcases how he's very reminiscent of a beefcake version of OrphoJonno. And from the moment I found out about him, in his TYT days, I had him pegged as a triple attached so/SX Beauty Six. But now as a professional Twitch couch potato he cultivates a slovenly down home look. The demands beauty makes...

As such this fits right in with the Karl Eggnog discussion of narcissistic, high sx triple attached Sixes. Eye of the Hurricane, Gotta Keep Streaming, Writing, Prosletyzing...

But this is in the intertype section and the kindred is Ben but still...here is OrphoJonno identical TeSi dandy.

There are many reasons to watch the 'Hasanabi' video from the beginning of the Ben part to the end of the stream. This is like a counterphobic Six one man band. Only something as grotesque as Twitch could provide such a window into the workings. After all he's a social subtype, there are so many people involved, and he has free rein while at the same time these are his supporters both as a fake beta tribe and financially. So he depends on them as they pay him to be brave. Notably, Hasan bans one of his long-standing supporters for a mildly critical comment about the house fracas also expressing that the member is with Hassan. But Hasan's tough; far be it from Hasan to care. This reminds me of another almost certain triple attached and possible Six lead group leader who would summarily ban people, boasting about how it was a reflection of fierce, unflinching autonomy.

Hasan's photo search makes me uncomfortable. He looks terrified, like a child in a beefcake Hazmat suit. The stream is another story.

He barks like a dog, grunts like a pig....

he will do anything to show you he is not overthinking and is not afraid.

Roshan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:27 pm Also that what follows his response to Ben is a must-see too; all together there never will be a better document of how the two social media waves of the Bernie movement and the IDW converged in an estuary dump of noise. Hassan is almost certainly an ESTJ pretending to be an ESTP (Fi inferior with Ni PolR pretending to be Fi PolR and Se dom), so he and Ben are kindred and in the end they both come out exactly where they should in this dispute: sea level. But as a document this is unparalleled. Spectacular. Should be put in a time capsule for posterity except it's just pixels, it doesn't exist.

My first and maybe last twitch link

I finally watched the whole thing.
And yeah, it's truly a spectular document indeed.

I definitely agree that he is TeSi pretending to be SeTi.
My conflictor pretending to be my dual.
This, plus the nauseating aspect of Twitch made it quite painful to watch for me.

In some ways he reminds me of some TeSi activists i met before the internet.
Always ready to start some fight to demonstrate their big, brave, constantly billboarded counterphobic Se 6th.
Sometimes against skinheads, their equivalent on the other side of the aisle.
Most of the time within their own side.

But the thing is, if someone had told me at that time, that, 15 years later or so, those TeSis would be able to literally upload themselves online, to attract millions of followers and to make millions of dollars by spending whole days barking and making no point, i wouldn't have believed it.

Roshan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:04 pm There are many reasons to watch the 'Hasanabi' video from the beginning of the Ben part to the end of the stream. This is like a counterphobic Six one man band. Only something as grotesque as Twitch could provide such a window into the workings. After all he's a social subtype, there are so many people involved, and he has free rein while at the same time these are his supporters both as a fake beta tribe and financially. So he depends on them as they pay him to be brave. Notably, Hasan bans one of his long-standing supporters for a mildly critical comment about the house fracas also expressing that the member is with Hassan. But Hasan's tough; far be it from Hasan to care. This reminds me of another almost certain triple attached and possible Six lead group leader who would summarily ban people, boasting about how it was a reflection of fierce, unflinching autonomy.

Yes, i can definitely see the similarity between those twos here.

It feels like that guy got banned because he said "i believe in you", so Hasan could demonstrate how little he cares.
And given the reactions of his followers in the livestream chat, it's not the first time he does something like that.
And they are used to it.

The thing is an actual SeTi with an actual beta tribe probably wouldn't get away with that.

Vincent wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:25 pm

I finally watched the whole thing.
And yeah, it's truly a spectular document indeed.

I'm glad there's someone here with taste exquisite enough to appreciate this movie.

I definitely agree that he is TeSi pretending to be SeTi.
My conflictor pretending to be my dual.

hahaha Your dual. Now that you put it that way he should not have fooled me for five minutes.

This, plus the nauseating aspect of Twitch made it quite painful to watch for me.

We suffer for art. Don't forget, the name of the movie is Rust!. This part is called 'Estuary Dump of Noise'.

In some ways he reminds me of some TeSi activists i met before the internet.
Always ready to start some fight to demonstrate their big, brave, constantly billboarded counterphobic Se 6th.

Yes, you warned me long ago that TeSi's are often the street thug ideologues of revolutions and they drag their wispy FiNe girlfriends into it, and then they go around making graffiti art together. Truth stranger than fiction.

Sometimes against skinheads, their equivalent on the other side of the aisle.
Most of the time within their own side.

None come to mind offhand from the EV, but I have to say that with a few exceptions, none of which were TeSi's, I kept the activists at arm's length. I just was not that engagée. Which did not stop Michael Shankar from calling me their Rosa Luxembourg but it just was not true. So I can't remember any of those Hasans; I was not in the trenches.

But the thing is, if someone had told me at that time, that, 15 years later or so, those TeSis would be able to literally upload themselves online, to attract millions of followers and to make millions of dollars by spending whole days barking and making no point, i wouldn't have believed it.

Well, first of all I don't think he's making no point. Did you watch the Zapatista interview? Most of it's before the section I chose but it's very, very good. And he is getting that stuff out to a very wide audience and as he says, that basically is his point. Second, he isn't 'those TeSi's". He entered the fray with a distinct nepotistic advantage. What makes Rust! the movie great is the epic nature of its protagonists. Some are titans, some are of titans born...none are just any ol' body.

I think we can take Hasan at his word--both what he says and what he doesn't in those two excruciating hours. He did not intend to make so much money (because he did not realize just what a head start he had being Cenk's nephew from TYT), he bought a relatively modest home by Los Angeles standards, and he does not understand why he should have bought one cheaper somewhere else. His lack of understanding of the value judgements placed on the convergence of all he's done--done by his own will and as fate would have it, tossing him about like a big fat yapping autumn leaf--is where both his Ni PolR AND his Fi inferior lie. Beyond that he seems to kind of understand he's more like a dj than a pundit--a socialist 'entertainer' and curator of videos of sorts.

Delta extraverts can certainly be big hams, though, can't they?

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Tossing him about like a big, fat yapping and now extremely sedentary autumn leaf...

oh the irony.

This is the stuff that dreams are made of.

Ah, sorry, posts crossed.

Vincent wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:54 pm

Roshan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:04 pm There are many reasons to watch the 'Hasanabi' video from the beginning of the Ben part to the end of the stream. This is like a counterphobic Six one man band. Only something as grotesque as Twitch could provide such a window into the workings. After all he's a social subtype, there are so many people involved, and he has free rein while at the same time these are his supporters both as a fake beta tribe and financially. So he depends on them as they pay him to be brave. Notably, Hasan bans one of his long-standing supporters for a mildly critical comment about the house fracas also expressing that the member is with Hassan. But Hasan's tough; far be it from Hasan to care. This reminds me of another almost certain triple attached and possible Six lead group leader who would summarily ban people, boasting about how it was a reflection of fierce, unflinching autonomy.

Yes, i can definitely see the similarity between those twos here.

Well, don't forget the reason the other one acts that way is because it's supposed to all be happening in a night club.

It feels like that guy got banned because he said "i believe in you", so Hasan could demonstrate how little he cares.

hmmm....it brings to mind how I was singled out by a Jimmy fanboy among all the people Kyle people acting like Kyle Kulinski Jimmy Vincentwas Satan's spawn for saying I agree with Jimmy about what happened with Kyle but NOW Jimmy's gone too far.

So I don't think it's just to demonstrate how little he cares. It's also because he wouldn't be able to handle the implicit subtlety of intelligent criticism from his own side. (Ni PolR and Fi inferior). Hasan needs the freedom to be ham-fisted. Which isn't the same thing as being a ham, though they're related, but perhaps not in etymological intent.


And given the reactions of his followers in the livestream chat, it's not the first time he does something like that.
And they are used to it.

Yeah, well, that's also what makes it entertainment. It has that 'you're fired' world of wrestling to it.

The thing is an actual SeTi with an actual beta tribe probably wouldn't get away with that.

No, but a gamma Se playing the role of a beta emperor as schtick could. And did. But an actual SeTi would just be too scary to pull it off.