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'Criminal element' 8, 9 in 8 and cph 6w5

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:34 am
by Roshan
I would have earlier typed Dutch Schultz (Arthur Flegenheimer)as a withdrawn 8 but I just had an epiphany he was 6w55w4 and seems to be borne out by the doc. His career was fueled by father loss and the trajectory was impelled by (quiet) reactivity and ostracism. Throughout he ambivalently was very bookish behind the scenes and when he knew the fix was in, lamented not having been an average Joe (similar to Ian Brady, the Moors Murderer).


Re: 'Criminal element'--8, 9 in 8 and cph 6w5 with one of these fixes

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:39 am
by Roshan
Video works; below it are the notorious last words of Dutch Schultz. I guess that's all of them the police were able to get...tbcd

Re: 'Criminal element' 8, 9 in 8 and cph 6w5

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:15 pm
by Roshan
Something that really stands out about Dutch Schultz in comparison to an energetically not-so-8-seeming 8 like Fidel Castro is that Schultz did not start his career alone. He was part of a duo, whereas Castro pulled himself out of a depression to single-handedly and with lightning speed organize a rebellion.

This is not to equate Castro's rise to criminality though oc there is certainly overlap. One man's freedom fighter is another man's felon. The point is even unhealthy 8 is born to lead with sure steps while average to unhealthy 6 needs support to lead and without it makes itself a target for ostracism.

Re: 'Criminal element' 8, 9 in 8 and cph 6w5

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:56 pm
by Roshan
So I was looking for an 8 underworld 'kingpin' to contrast with John Huston (man who will be king) for the new 8 thread in the Study Hall and I thought of Schultz. But my typing of Schultz was before Marlon Brando (who played 'The Godfather') was revealed to be a cph 6. So I thought I really better check myself.

I don't mean to suggest 8s can't be very bookish and intellectual. They certainly can; I mean any type can but 8 in particular has a line to 5. But an intellectual 8 should flaunt it (like Zizek, or even like Barnes).

What 8 and 6w5 have in common is in fact the 5. But 6 is always trying to prove authority while 8 just enacts it. A disintegrating young 6w5 with a fix in 8 (including 9w8) may be attracted to the underworld as a way of both rebelling against and becoming authority (Authoritarian Rebel). Then, as RH note, the fate of a disintegrating 6 often depends on who they are with.

Re: 'Criminal element' 8, 9 in 8 and cph 6w5

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:22 pm
by Roshan
Assuming it's true, the singularly repulsive crime Schultz committed in his duo to make an example of the brewer who didn't accept their authority in the NYC Prohibition bootleg business at the outset of his reign leaves a question:

Just why would an 8 specifically choose to leave someone blinded by a gonorrhea infested rag?

It feels like it could be a projecting out of his refusal to look at his own decadence. Moreover there is 'an awful lot of artifice' to this.