Ben Shapiro family is growing

[Roshan]

He's dweeby, but not as dweeby as Destiny, more like Onision.

He's dweeby but you do not want this guy to hook up with his true activity partner, which would be someone like TPAS.

In his current state, with his current issues (which I have a feeling may be more along the lines of his Catholicism colliding with perverse fantasies about women than with being gay; bear in mind he's almost the typing twin of Ted Bundy), he could be very dangerous. He can motivate a crowd, with a partner with stable Se the total effect would not be so dweebish.

And he is being genuinely racist but...I have this feeling that it's a proxy issue for him, almost like...it's safer....

[Roshan]

That speech seems particularly unsettling.

I think it's the obvious unhealthy smarmy car salesman 7ish deceit mixed with his counterflow stacking...something about the combination 3 and a counterflow stacking creates something very unsettling. I hate to sound like this, but it really does remind me of the quality of Hitler's and Goebbels's and even Richard Spencer's(probably so/sp) speeches. Like the speeches foreshadow extermination.

Yes, he is unsettling but Sargon was also spot on about him. He intuitively grasped the core problem. Nick needs to be mirrored; that means he needs to be allowed in the general conversation. Otherwise all bets are off.

So Sargon very deftly mirrored him by expanding on his ideas when he felt there was something to them while refusing to bond with him, which would make Nick feel he had that strong Se support behind him for his lunatic ideas. From the very beginning, Sargon wouldn't even yield an inch to say there could specifically be a problem with trans people, or any particular people, in the military or anywhere. I'm quite sure he's mused about it outloud elsewhere.

Now that I understand more about those dynamics, it's even more infuriating that when Sargon said it's ridiculous to say black people aren't included in American culture, they've been here for hundreds of years, Destiny and Hasan jumped down his throat like two salivating Pavlov dogs, misinterpreting him with willful blindness. (They didn't come by choice, it wasn't inclusive!!! ). He was trying to set an example for Nick and instead they set an example for why Nick shouldn't alter course--i.e., the left is hysterical and twists what you say.

In any case I don't think Nick's irredeemable but after ALL that deplatforming and with ALL the cancel culture holding people culpable for every breath they ever took, I really do wonder, as young as he is, how he can possibly develop in a more normal way.

[Roshan]

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But with Fuentes by the 30s' Ti inferior, Te role, and auxiliary jumping seem really obvious. "I'm going to lay out the case". And he does, and it's not...good enough Te for third.

Soooo..his Se is a little on the yin side, and he's jumping because he's avoiding something in himself, not because he's really cognitively built that way so that might be why?....so he makes this rigamarole of a 'case'...but tbh when he just stays away from too much T he can be a creepy powerful crowd manipulator.

No, wait, this Is crazy. After I wrote this, I started answering posts and I just went back to continue watching. And he's getting into the Great Replacement stuff and he's diabolically possessed by his Te role. There's no more comedy schtick and it doesn't matter whether it's good or shitty T, It doesn't matter at all. All that matters is that it keeps flowing. And it isn't yin Se either. In fact I'm not sure it ever was.

It's more like "Pan". If Pan were the god who possessed Hitler, this is how Hitler would have been.

Of course he's very very angry; he just got banned from Twitter and he said at the beginning this was going to be different. But it's kind of hard to reconcile this person with the one who changed his argument twice, over-accommodatingly, each time he was responded to, at the beginning of 'our' debate, because he wanted so badly for the trainwreck boyz to like him.

Ah well, another day, another dollar. We shell sea.

[Roshan]

Okay now he's on to feminism and he's back to schtick and he's somewhat dweebish again. Let's see if he gets himself swept up in that same Luciferian Te role frenzy.

One thing's for sure. He's almost a 7 and there is a massive 7 stress movement to 1 factor here.

[Roshan]

No, he hasn't gone Luciferian again yet. In fact he just briefly did go altar boy.

So...he's against sex outside of marriage and he's not married? And that's why he said they call him an Incel?

Uh huh.



Okay, let's go on with the Ted Talk.

[Roshan]

Oh, god, he finished feminism and went on to white nationalism and a black guy said "You have black followers" and he says "My African American" and practically blushes and starts clapping...and now he's lost his Se again. Poof! Gone.

Can't offend his new friend.

Let's see if he gets his mojo back.

[Anthony]

Yeah, he cockblocked himself pretty thoroughly...

[Roshan]

I think this guy must be the sickest fuck we've ever dealt with outside of the Murderpedia threads*, unless someone's slipping my mind.

*which includes the Third Reich ones.

[Roshan]

No, he never got back the Hitler/Pan Te role and he'd kind of tapered down to an obsequious appeal to our common humanity by the time he was done with the Holocaust denial denial, and yup, yin Se. He certainly was many people. He would be an outstanding actor.

If he is straight he certainly has painted himself into a corner with this over the top anti-feminism and celibacy til marriage schtick because what woman will marry him? By the end of this it really does seem like that might be the goal after all iykwim.

(Bear in mind that for me to call an anti-feminist or any anti-id pol stance over the top is highly, highly unusual...both because I'm so used to it and because I do so understand what's provoking these reactions, but this guy....)

[Roshan]

Now trainwrecks himself turns out to be quite interesting ct-wise, so I'm thinking I'll make him our next poll. Although, come to think of it, not everyone has watched even part of the debate video yet, and that should really happen first to be able to compare impressions. So for now I'll just tag -Sarah- to make sure you watch at least the first hour of the debate by let's say Tuesday night and the others who've started should try to finish watching if they haven't already. (And we'll wait and see how things go with Amy). Here we'll just keep talking about this video and related ones for now, but not about trainwreck's type. And I'll set up a poll for that due next weekend after we discuss Rose a little and you can start looking into him on your own. I don't expect we'll have to discuss Rose THAT much. Frankly I'm not sure about her but I know what makes me unsure and why, and I'm pretty sure I'm clear by this point about what other possibilities are--since I've been looking at her on and off for weeks. Hopefully other people will feel similarly and it won't turn into one of those bottomless pit rabbit holes and we'll either reach consensus quickly or be okay with not quite having it, so we can walk and chew gum at the same time with trainwrecks.