'Gram The Grown Up #1 Rose McGowan

[Roshan]

ps So....a so/SP 2w3 that fucks powerful men then takes them to the cleaners for revenge and political gain. Who woudda thunk?

You see what I mean about 2 > 6? And also so/sp 6 should be more like Nurse Ratched more often, overtly aggressively counterphobic, if the leading fixation were fear-based. But alas, it appears to be value-based.

btw I'm positive about the stacking (and everyone else on the Internet is wrong. )It's interesting that Anthony got the social first and Sarah got the counterflow. Now, not to imply the debate is closed on her lead but remember the tenth commandment of E-typing:

Thou shalt not underestimate how much higher sx Twos can seem than they are.

[Roshan]

If Rose McGowan had become the new Meryl Streep or governor of California, I really don't think she would have spearheaded the Hollywood MeToo campaign. She would have taken some people to task for sure but she wouldn't have gone that far. On an archetypal level, the issue was Rose put out and she didn't get back what she felt she deserved. So social 2 Ambition between 4 and 8 overcomes social Four shame via 8 revenge. I'm by no means saying that was the only issue but in terms of determining the lead type but I do think it's at the crux of the matter.

Lead passion is Pride.

[Vincent]

Can members see the names of the voters?

I just cheched with tsenjin. They can't.
I'll look into this to see if that can be changed.

I swear I didn't say one syllable to Vincent about this woman, ever (as far as I can remember) but we both voted so/sp 2w3.

Yes, i'm pretty positive we never talked about her at all.

I voted before -Sarah- posted the new videos, and so far i only watched part the last one.

I felt pretty confident about the so/SP stacking
I thought she was really showing the full spectrum of that stacking, from the garden party variety to Moses, very organically
I briefly considered sp/SO but i thought "nah...not synflow".
She seemed clearly sx last to me.

I hesitated a lot more on the lead fix. Going back and forth between 2 and 6, and considering both wings in both cases.
I settled on 2 because of things like that.
"Not one of the first. THE first one".
Her insistence on doing her own solitary and personal thing, independently of any group and any conversation.
She seems very prideful and power oriented, and ultimately not that heady, let alone loyal, to me.

I also thought that someone who is able to remind me of Hillary Clinton AND Alice, from one minute to the next, was more likely to be a 2 than a 6.

My typing at that point would have been so/SP 2w1(1w3) 6w5(7w6) 9w1(1w2)

Anyway, I will watch the new videos soon and i'll let you know what i think after that.

tbcd.

[Vincent]

After all that I just can't bring myself to move her away from the 2 lead. For instance, seems I hadn't actually watched the Nurse Ratched video to the very end; everyone really should (re)watch that end. I didn't realize she wanted to run for governor, but she also thinks she's going to BE governor in ten years, because she's going to raise an army and we'll win because we're right (eyes burning zealously like coals on daggers). She doesn't even say what we're right about. This is waaaaay before MeToo. Passion doubt? It sounds more like passion Entitlement. Especially for someone as clearly in full-blown Moses carrying the Tablets so/sp mode as she is. Six lead on that says that? This is laying the foundation of a political career?

I saw it now, and yeah i agree that it doesn't sound like something a so/sp 6 would say.

Btw, I was already thinking that something about her reminds me a bit of Bjork, but that #rosearmy stuff reminds me of "Army of Me", somehow.

I definitely agree she seems very deeply entitled.
I see little actual doubt in her Especially not self-doubt.
So far, in all the materials i watched, she basically did nothing wrong, made no mistake, commited no sin, didn't indulge in any vice, even when she was surrounded by it.
She went from one cult to another but she was never truly part of any of them.
She often sounds like a very willfull and very vengeful so/sp self-important Saint in a crusade to me.

I agree that this Nurse Ratched moment sounds very very counterphobic 6.
But the thing is when she talks about bravery, it doesn't really feel like she is talking about her own struggle with cowardice, even counterphobically. It feels like she is trying to recruit Sixes soldiers to be part of her Queendom.
And at this point, i still think she has to be have a line to 8 on the lead fix.
So i'm going to keep my vote too for now.

tbcd.

[Vincent]

On an archetypal level, the issue was Rose put out and she didn't get back what she felt she deserved. So social 2 Ambition between 4 and 8 overcomes social Four shame via 8 revenge.

Yes, that really seems to be her prime mover.
She wanted the head of Weinstein ("i feel like he and i are strapped in this battle together until one of us is dead"). Now she wants the head of Gawin Newsom and his wife.
Off with their heads !

[Roshan]

A 269 Latina worked in a café I used to go to. She was a barista. The café had two sofas in it and was across the street from a methadone treatment center, so the addicts would come in after they got their meth and take up the sofas all day. The 269 Latina barista made much ado about the rights of the poor nice addicts.

The manager of the café had a thing for the 269 barista and she wasn't interested in him but she kept him dangling on a string so she could take liberties with her job, like coming in late. The other employees complained because they had to cover for her so the manager started warning her. He kept warning her and warning her but she didn't listen so finally he fired her.

The 269 Latina barista, who was born in this country and made much ado about the rights of the poor nice addicts, called Immigration the day he fired her and reported the café for employing undocumented workers, which was every single one but her.

[e-ssam]

I didn't vote, but my impressions from the first two videos was 269 as the tritype. Now, I don't know why I thought that or what constitutes my impressions of the tritype other than what I remember of the exemplars that were EF (orr it was only a random guess that "sat right")
But, I'm following

[Vincent]

She seems like one day she could just...you know...go multiple and suddenly you'd be talking to a sub with a different name...hopefully not Harvey though...

Well, speaking of subs, i just came across this music video of her :

The music video was directed by Jonas Åkerlund. About the music video, Rose said:

All five characters in the video are versions of me. All are pieces that make up my whole – an artist, a public figure, and most importantly, as a person. I’m pushing back at the idea of what I am supposed to be, I want to expose people to art in a real way, and I want to change the idea of what beauty is. There is true power in art and true power in we who believe in it."

The characters are explained as:

THE ALIEN: Where I’m from and how I have always felt. I want to communicate in the purest form and she is pure.

DARK BEAUTY: Challenging the preconceived notion of what beauty is. Representative of the media perceived “goth” period of my life. She’s challenging you to not look away.

GREEN HAIR HOLLYWOOD: The most agitated. The most over the top. Note the mouth taped over my own mouth. This is my “Hollywood” chapter. The agitated glamor of it all. I find her to be the most harrowing.

NEEDLES: The needles I wear represent my armor and shield.

RED GLITTER BOMB: My knives are out. I have a mission and it is fierce.

[Roshan]

Wow, she unabashedly imitates Bjork.

Based on the timing she and Aurora may be coincidental.

[Roshan]

Lyrics

I've seen things you people can't imagine
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion
I watched c-beams glitter in the dark
And all those moments will be lost in time
Like tears in rain
Time to die
Time to die

[Verse 1]
Held my hand up to the stars
Gilded lilies driving cars
It’s time to say it so I will
I can, I do, I vow to live

To all of us lost in time
To those waiting to be picked up
And those who cry, bleed and die
To those with the unnatural sighs

[Chorus]
Only here to paint color on the sun
Only here to see the fire run
Only here to paint color on the sun
Only here to see the fire run
Only here to paint color on the sun
Only here to see the fire run

[Bridge]
Run, run, run, run, run
Run, run, run, run, run
Run, run, run, run, run
Run, run, run, run, run

[Verse 2]
And letting go is hard to do
When all you trust hurts the bruise
And letting go is hard to do
When all you trust hurts the bruise

[Chorus]
Only here to paint color on the sun
Only here to see the fire run
Only here to paint color on the sun
Only here to see the fire run
Only here to paint color on the sun
Only here to see the fire run

[Outro]
Run, run, run, run, run
Run, run, run, run, run
Run, run, run, run, run
Run, run, run, run, run

I would call this 'stacks moved'. She is 'in sp/sx', archetypally so (the fire runs is classic) but she never stops being the statue she peels off and it still comes from on high to 'us people'. Also she still seems sx last.

WIth that title 486 I hope she didn't study Enneagram.