CT Adult Poll Dance #3 Jim Clark

[Roshan]

Schitte, , I hate how this might seem to readers, especially new ones.

This is not me nitpicking. This is part of a long, ongoing discussion about disintegrated 9, which is the reason Anthony's working daily with Vincent to begin with. But Vincent's not a high health level 9 either and they have very similar complete types. So I have to make sure the whole thing isn't Nining out into some kind of avaricious pair bonding of at 3/with 3 saga'd out billboarding of 'doing'.

There's also a ct issue. You're unequals. You're working alone together every day on an ever smaller board. Vincent is the benefactor but all that has to happen is for Anthony to shadow into TeNi without VIncent realizing it and Anthony becomes HIS shadow supervisor. OR for Anthony to perceive that Vincent is shadowing and same deal. Basically there's always the possibility that Anthony winds up on top in the unequals dynamic just feeding Vincent pseudo-T. It seems to me that this somewhat happened here and the pseudo -T was the more likely one, which is Te.

Which last can be seen as a fancy long form way of saying yes, Vincent, you really should have checked. He was in shadow TeNi when he mindlessly checked those time stamps, his silence about it was another form of shadow TeNi by omission (he'll get to it, no need for you to know he didn't really, after all, he's 'the Te guy'), and you assumed he agreed with you.

[Vincent]

Which last can be seen as a fancy long form way of saying yes, Vincent, you really should have checked. He was in shadow TeNi when he mindlessly checked those time stamps, his silence about it was another form of shadow TeNi by omission (he'll get to it, no need for you to know he didn't really, after all, he's 'the Te guy'), and you assumed he agreed with you.

Yes i did, and i also assumed he would "figure it out", as he said he would early on during that video chat. It should have been a warning already and it didn't because i was already letting myself be supervised. The thing is i was trying to adress problematic dynamics around this thread and to not discuss Jim Clark too much nor too directly at the same time, which was a pretty bad idea to begin with. That combined to the fact i wasn't in a great shape at that time led directly to the Nining out and to the reversal of intertype unequality you mentioned. This is exactly what happened and i really have to be more careful about that in the future.

[Roshan]

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I'm not so sure a 5-fix is necessary, but since in my head I had him as more likely a 9 lead, I thought he had to have SOME kind of heavy rejection triad stuff going on, something very Sp 5ish ("Castle," not that Sp 8 wouldn't also be like that), and was ultimately a more 'normie' Getty.

So since I'm now reading the thread over, I've posted his 'home video'. and we haven't really begun to settle on his head, I just want to say once clearly--for everyone and to tie together things that have been brewing--that to own such a house can have to do primarily with avarice (power), cowardice (security),or gluttony (lavishness) headwise within the synergistic interplay of the components of the typing.

[Roshan]

Which last can be seen as a fancy long form way of saying yes, Vincent, you really should have checked. He was in shadow TeNi when he mindlessly checked those time stamps, his silence about it was another form of shadow TeNi by omission (he'll get to it, no need for you to know he didn't really, after all, he's 'the Te guy'), and you assumed he agreed with you.

Yes i did, and i also assumed he would "figure it out", as he said he would early on during that video chat. It should have been a warning already and it didn't because i was already letting myself be supervised. The thing is i was trying to adress problematic dynamics around this thread and to not discuss Jim Clark too much nor too directly at the same time, which was a pretty bad idea to begin with. That combined to the fact i wasn't in a great shape at that time led directly to the Nining out and to the reversal of intertype unequality you mentioned. This is exactly what happened and i really have to be more careful about that in the future.

Well...I assume Anthony would tell you, as he did me, that he did figure it out and he just didn't say so clearly enough. So this is what was said, here after you two "discussed" the time stamps together, if I've understood correctly.

[Vincent]

Which last can be seen as a fancy long form way of saying yes, Vincent, you really should have checked. He was in shadow TeNi when he mindlessly checked those time stamps, his silence about it was another form of shadow TeNi by omission (he'll get to it, no need for you to know he didn't really, after all, he's 'the Te guy'), and you assumed he agreed with you.

Yes i did, and i also assumed he would "figure it out", as he said he would early on during that video chat. It should have been a warning already and it didn't because i was already letting myself be supervised. The thing is i was trying to adress problematic dynamics around this thread and to not discuss Jim Clark too much nor too directly at the same time, which was a pretty bad idea to begin with. That combined to the fact i wasn't in a great shape at that time led directly to the Nining out and to the reversal of intertype unequality you mentioned. This is exactly what happened and i really have to be more careful about that in the future.

Well...I assume Anthony would tell you, as he did me, that he did figure it out and he just didn't say so clearly. So this is what was said here after you two discussed the time stamps, if I've understood correctly.

Yes, he did figure it out, i don't doubt that.
I mentioned this because i'm pretty sure the moment he said that in our video chat is the moment when started thinking something very close to "he'll get to it, no need for [me] to know he didn't really, after all, he's 'the Te guy'", as you said.

[Roshan]

So what I think I understand here is that when Vincent brought up those time stamps privately, Anthony didn't tell him he'd misunderstood them, and that omission was on purpose, because of Vanity? And Vincent assumed that Anthony had understood them and was already agreeing with him, and was going to go further and 'figure out' more to agree with, also because of Vanity? And Anthony actually did wind up seeing the time stamps the way Vincent saw them but what was brought onto this thread was the vagueness from the discussion that comes from the seesaw effect of both having that 9/3 loop? Or... something like that? ? ?

[Anthony]

Roshan, I checked all three timestamps and still thought you were corroborating me, then after my replies to Vincent, I checked all three again and realized it clearly wasn't the case.

As Vincent said, he was discussing problematic dynamics in this thread during the video chat with me. Basically, I was very obviously in a bad mood already, the discussion of the problematic dynamics in this thread made it worse and made me anxious, I was acting like a total prick, and was about as much in TeNi shadow supervisor as it gets; my saying "I'll figure it out" was basically angry placation and me wanting to stop talking about it. I stopped being a prick fairly quickly, but not the shadowing.

The reason I didn't tell Vincent during that video chat that I didn't understand the timestamps was that was extremely Nine'd out (i.e. I didn't even THINK to tell him; no decision about that ever even crossed my mind), and like I said, angry and in a totally shit mood in general. I don't deny that it was ultimately because of vanity, but it wasn't conscious or deliberate.

And Anthony actually did wind up seeing the time stamps the way Vincent saw them but what was brought onto this thread was the vagueness from the discussion that comes from the seesaw effect of both having that 9/3 loop?

This is accurate, I think.

[Amy]

I remember thinking he was an Fi user as a first impression, though I think I could have been conflated that for Si ‘warmth’ maybe.

No, i think you're right that he's upper slot Fi (Fi seeking most likely) but this simply was not apparent to me at all. Are you able to articulate how you got this impression so early on, Amy?

To be honest I remember it as more of a brief first physical impression rather than based on anything he said in particular. However, I’m not sure how to articulate it with reasons. I suppose maybe he didn’t seem outwardly responsive enough, or like he was ‘waiting for a green light’ for Fe first. Then once I saw him as ‘competence focused’ (the right way to do things) it was hard to not to see Te over Fe. Basically, instead of consciously thinking of why he was an fi user specifically, I didn’t pick up on anything that said he wasn’t. Which I think had to do with my own tunnel vision typing more than anything.

To be honest I remember it as more of a brief first physical impression. Rather than based on anything he said in particular, but I’m not sure how to articulate it. I suppose maybe he didn’t seem outwardly responsive enough, or like he was ‘waiting for a green light’ for Fe first. Then once I saw him as ‘competence focused’ (the right way to do things). It was hard to not to Te over Fe. Basically, instead of consciously thinking of why he was an fi user specifically. I instead didn’t pick up on anything that said he wasn’t, even if I wasn’t thinking of reasons at the time for getting that impression in the first place. Which I think had to do with tunnel vision typing more than anything.

I will add this though while considering that the contexts are different. It was hard to see Jim as an extrovert, let alone Fe PoLR specifically in that short clip you posted after the interview. That really shouldn’t be all that surprising to me, as he job literally requires him to be an initiator (and of multiple projects specifically. Which would make sense for Ne agenda). Also, to add that while I could try and find reasons for why he’s Fe PoLR. For example, the main one I saw being his frustration with his boss (in the original interview). Obviously having a legitimately crazy boss doesn’t mean having or lacking Fe. However, it became an issue with hierarchy/ social power (rather than simply an attempt to display force) when the boss asked to resign for what he wrote about his lack of competence. I assumed that because he was still in a secure position in his life at the time of the incident, and that because he was retelling an old story and now more mature. That that explained why he didn’t seem overly frustrated/ out of his element while discussing it. Despite this, nothing really hit me hard as ‘this is definitely his PoLR’. In all fairness, the lack of Ni didn’t really stand out to me either, but that right there probably should’ve been a sign. -The lack of it-. Jim has his reasons for all his decisions and considers the details in his security systems. We don’t really need to talk about ‘the point’ of it all, because Jim never brings it up. ThE machine will carry us all forth to what needs doing.

I will add though that while the contexts are different. It was hard to see Jim as an extrovert, let alone Fe PoLR specifically in that short clip you posted after the interview. Which really shouldn’t be all that surprising to me, as he job literally requires him to be an initiator (and of multiple projects specifically. Which would make sense for Ne agenda). Also, while I could try and find reasons for why he’s Fe PoLR. The main one being his frustration with his boss (in the original interview). Obviously having a legitimately crazy boss doesn’t mean having or lacking Fe. But it was an issue with hierarchy/ social power (rather than simply an attempt to display force) when the boss asked to resign for what he said about his lack of competence. I assumed because he was still in a secure position in life at the time of the incident, and that because he was telling an old story and was more mature. That that was why he didn’t seem overly frustrated/ out of his element when talking about it. But nothing really hit me hard as ‘this is definitely his PoLR’. In all fairness, the lack of Ni didn’t really stand out to me either, but that right there probably should’ve been a sign. The lack of it. Jim has his reasons for all his decisions and considers the details in security. But we don’t really need to talk about ‘the point’ of it all, because Jim never brings it up. ThE machine will carry us all forth to what needs doing.
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[Roshan]

Fix the sentence fragments, Amy.

Anthony, what's to like about a post with 47 bajillion sentence fragments after all that grueling time in the private section? (Rhetorical question).

[Amy]

Fix the sentence fragments, Amy.

Anthony, what's to like about a post with 47 bajillion sentence fragments after all that grueling time in the private section? (Rhetorical question).

I edited the post I wrote. My apologies Roshan for having you read that here. When I originally typed it out I remember being concerned with creating overly wordy or run-on sentences. That, however, isn’t an excuse because creating fragments to over compensate for run-ons or long winded sentences has been a reoccurring error of mine.

I would have edited it sooner after liking the post, but my phone was at 1% and I was about to leave my friend’s house. (I know no one asked for an explanation, but I’ll add it for clarification). In short, she didn’t realize she had work today until this morning, so my dad picked us both up. After he dropped her off, me and my dad went out for breakfast. When we got home I had a shower, and finally I relaxed for a bit and watched a movie before editing the post.